Members Themetallikid Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 Now, arguments can easily be made for both of these guys' legendary tones and such. BUT!!!! What if Mustaine had stayed in Metallica all these years...how would their guitar tones have changed?? Part of what I notice when I listen to their albums is that James/Dave have more bite on their tones, and their counterparts have a more thick, not as top-endish tone to help fill it out. I've noticed this with their live tracks as well. I'm curious with them having such similar ideas of tone, how that would have changed Metallica's guitar sound, if they had stayed together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sordid1 Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 Well i'm not really sure how that would have played out but I have always noticed Dave has more mids going on with his sound. I think they are about equal rythm playing wise but James has more chunk to his style and that's a big part of his tone. I would love to have the rythm chops of either but without being able to do this for a living I doubt i'll ever get quite that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Themetallikid Posted November 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 yes I agree, I think Dave has kept his "marshall" sound longer, where as James switching to Mesa's and such gave him more lower mids. ALthough I did read that there is a certain frequency that is VERY Prominent in James' sound, and he is very anal about letting out what that is. I dont blame him, last thing he would want is 1,000,000 hetfield clones popping up... I would think that dave would have ended up not having so much bite and James would have pretty much kept the same sound... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members branjispad Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 i dunno about a certain frequency prominent IN his sound. Its the one not in his sound... You'd really have to see how he sets his Graphic and parametric eq to see just how he scoops his mids to get the tone. you simply just cant do it by getting rid of all the mids with 750 slider though it can sound close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Themetallikid Posted November 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 dunno about a certain frequency prominent IN his sound. Its the one not in his sound... I agree, thats what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sekler Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 I like both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members johnpace2 Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 Originally posted by branjispad i dunno about a certain frequency prominent IN his sound. Its the one not in his sound... You'd really have to see how he sets his Graphic and parametric eq to see just how he scoops his mids to get the tone. you simply just cant do it by getting rid of all the mids with 750 slider though it can sound close. Does he use the parametric EQ live? I don't know anything about parametric eq's.... Why are they better than a graphic eq? Are they expensive? Sounds like it would be a good addition just for added flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Themetallikid Posted November 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 i'm not looking to discuss if you like them or not though. But if you look at how each of their tones has changed in their respective bands over the years. I'm curious if they would have changed differently if mustaine had remained in Metallica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tone Monster Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 Originally posted by Themetallikid i'm not looking to discuss if you like them or not though. But if you look at how each of their tones has changed in their respective bands over the years. I'm curious if they would have changed differently if mustaine had remained in Metallica. So its completely hypothetical, hence there is no "correct" answer. You could say they would be using Gorilla amps and you MIGHT be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Themetallikid Posted November 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 So its completely hypothetical, hence there is no "correct" answer. You could say they would be using Gorilla amps and you MIGHT be right. yeah basically... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 4nkam Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 James uses a custom Boogie rackmount EQ (two graphic EQs most likely the same as those on the Mark series) into the loop of his Triaxis used for the C+ tones mJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cryptopsy Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 Originally posted by Themetallikid I dont blame him, last thing he would want is 1,000,000 hetfield clones popping up... Yeah, Trivium's bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members septopus Posted November 22, 2006 Members Share Posted November 22, 2006 Like 'em both, though Mustaine's tone from around 90-95 is tops for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted March 9, 2008 Members Share Posted March 9, 2008 Does he use the parametric EQ live?I don't know anything about parametric eq's.... Why are they better than a graphic eq? Are they expensive? Sounds like it would be a good addition just for added flexibility. Parametric EQs are cool because you can change which particular frequency you want to boost or cut, and also affect the range of frequencies around that selected frequency. It's good for dialling out specific particular frequencies that cause a lot of feedback or make a tone crappy, or fill out a tone without it sounding too obvious. James used to use parametric EQs live, but not since 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted March 9, 2008 Members Share Posted March 9, 2008 yes I agree, I think Dave has kept his "marshall" sound longer, where as James switching to Mesa's and such gave him more lower mids. ALthough I did read that there is a certain frequency that is VERY Prominent in James' sound, and he is very anal about letting out what that is. It's ridiculous how he is so anal about it , yet he doesn't really have that frequency in his tone anymore.It pretty much sounds like this-> "ennnggh!" I'm not sure where in the frequency spectrum that sound is, but any speech pathologist/therapist or linguist can work that out.I reckon that frequency comes from his guitar, as you can hear it in his clean tone as well as distorted tones. It's just that he emphasised it using various methods, from multiple parametric EQs to mixing desk selective phase-cancelling of microphones and enclosing his speaker cabs with foam walls and U-Haul blankets (the "Tent of Doom"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 27, 2008 Members Share Posted August 27, 2008 Now, arguments can easily be made for both of these guys' legendary tones and such. BUT!!!! What if Mustaine had stayed in Metallica all these years...how would their guitar tones have changed?? Part of what I notice when I listen to their albums is that James/Dave have more bite on their tones, and their counterparts have a more thick, not as top-endish tone to help fill it out. I've noticed this with their live tracks as well. I'm curious with them having such similar ideas of tone, how that would have changed Metallica's guitar sound, if they had stayed together. You're right, the counterpart tone is a little more squawky, and also a bit rounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted August 27, 2008 Members Share Posted August 27, 2008 Dave's role in Metallica was primarily of a lead player while he's mainly a rhtythm player in Megadeth (although he still plays a lot of leads). I think that fact alone would have a major difference in Dave's tone. As for James' tone, I don't see how Mustaine staying in Metallica would have changed things much, since he would still have same role he does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted August 27, 2008 Members Share Posted August 27, 2008 I dont blame him, last thing he would want is 1,000,000 hetfield clones popping up.kinda late for that.. they're already out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSandMan Posted August 27, 2008 Members Share Posted August 27, 2008 James use to have a good ear for tone, but I think now Metallica (Lars and James) have this obscured idea that they want to 'create' a new metal trend. Hence, Lars' drum tone in "Some Kind of Monster" and their awful bassy guitar tone on their new song "The Day that Never Comes". Mustain's tone is far better than anything Metallica have tried in the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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