Members Redhotpoker Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 It's funny now to watch the MOTIF XF video after knowing what the KRONOS is. http://motifxf.com/Oh really? "It's even funnier reading these threads" , from folks like yourself, uninformed, posting valued personal opinions without any actual 'handson facts to back up them strange beliefs. hahaha WHY NOT Play One FIRST?.I can't Wait till the next round of gear comes out, AND Then the wasted threads, spouting more old forgotten molds and negative bacteria. Who are you helping here? What's the good word for the day?SMILE!!Chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DmitryKo Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 Huh, what the....? "Probably-I'm not sure"?? http://www.yamahasynth.com please check the user manuals and then: Shoot the SH_t!!Why write that 'I' "guess" sh_t about XF at all? Learn facts first, then spout general info later, 'pleaese', that sounds so rediculous coming from folks I thought had a clue, even a small one. Come on, get over it. Well, genius, no-one owes you anything, so why don't you go and learn these facts yourself, then return to us with more sparks of your infinite wisdom? Somehow I don't expect to see you back soon, no-one can figure out the actual procedures from the Motif reference manual without having the actual unit at hand, and certainly not the parts relating to flash memory management. But of course you don't care, since your only intention is to troll around with useless ramblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Redhotpoker Posted January 21, 2011 Members Share Posted January 21, 2011 Far from trolling man, If the truth hurts, there's 'usually' some truth to it. For real honest answers about Motif related abilities, any genuine questions often receive very rapid, truthful helpful, answers from qualified staff or knowledgable members over the fence , you know there. Lately I come here purely for entertainment value, it's better than three stooges and other replays on TCM. Especially when the fur and feathers fly. I may not have the talents or abilities many have, but I have the common sense not to make up stuff, or pretend to know with out the facts to be accurate. It's ok to be sorry you made a poor choice, or wish you had better toys to play with. No reason to bash the other guys. I don't see that happening anywhere else. I don't run down your board, if I like mine better, that's just my own choice. I want you to be happy, but without prejudg-uce. We aren't wearing short pants no more,,,. Chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted January 22, 2011 Members Share Posted January 22, 2011 CP1 user suggesting a minor bug:http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.petermmahr.com%2Fcategory%2Fyamaha-cp1%2FSeems Yamaha think its ok. If I read their response correctly they have omitted some of the actual overtone sample (multiple sources recorded not all used) that may not sound pleasant, otherwise feel the CP1 is authentic.The user also posts what look like another issue. Again hard to tell if it is just someone being too particular or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted January 22, 2011 Members Share Posted January 22, 2011 WHY NOT Play One FIRST?. I did. And I bought something else. And your trolling comments attacked me, not the comment. Like I said, WATCH THEIR VIDEO and listen to the sales pitch knowing what we know now. Yamaha continues to put a new shade of lipstick on the same old pig year after year. Not impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Redhotpoker Posted January 23, 2011 Members Share Posted January 23, 2011 If you feel that strongly, then I trolling-ly (a misused fishing term) appologise to you, whole heartedly. I was mistaken, and blurted out before thought. Just tire of negative comments directed at Yamaha products from folks that enjoy hearing themselves spout nonsense. All the various makes and models available, have plus and minus points that can be addressed. When you find your gem, polish it. delete delete delete delete delete "Oh well those thoughts aren't productive to anyone." In the heat of battle, I always try to keep my own frailties in perspective. Chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members less_cunning Posted January 23, 2011 Members Share Posted January 23, 2011 Yamaha should diversify & make some toys for n00bs like Korg becuz not everybody is in a praise & worship group and needs a workstation. or is a big name producer. or is Yanni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members liliththekitten Posted January 24, 2011 Members Share Posted January 24, 2011 yamaha tried: DX200, AN200, SU200 (and the older phrase samplers) plus Rm1x, CS1x and DJx. ...and RS7000 for the grownups. something happened and they just werent making money off these. making things with knobs for "techno" noobs just lost its market appeal I guess tho Korg has kept at it. even Roland dropped its "Groove Approved" line after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundwave106 Posted January 24, 2011 Members Share Posted January 24, 2011 Yamaha should diversify & make some toys for n00bs like Korg becuz not everybody is in a praise & worship group and needs a workstation. or is a big name producer. or is Yanni.The DJs moved to software, and the "Microkorg" market is pretty crowded. Yamaha diversifies in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conbrio Posted January 24, 2011 Members Share Posted January 24, 2011 Yamaha continues to put a new shade of lipstick on the same old pig year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gribs Posted January 24, 2011 Members Share Posted January 24, 2011 Yamaha does make a very diverse range of instruments catering to a range from beginners to studios, pros and pro-amateurs having deep pockets. How many Yamaha grands and uprights are installed at schools, churches, and college practice rooms, for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted January 24, 2011 Members Share Posted January 24, 2011 Considering that KRONOS 61 will cost $3000 in the US, which is 25% more than the Motif XF6 (and maybe be 1.5 times as high as the Motif XS6 which probably is being blown out for under $1800), I see lots of people choosing the cheaper Motif, especially with the current economy. The Motif series has been extremely popular so Yamaha will continue to sell them, and will sell a good number of Motif XFs. However, the Kronos/Motif XF price differential changes when you add in the cost of the 512MB/1GB Flash boards for the Motif XF ($150/$300 each, the XF holds two). The Flash ROM is one of the big selling features of the Motif XF, so I would think it would be a "must have" addition for many buyers. If you add in the cost of 2 1GB boards for the Motif XF, the price differential changes: -- Kronos 61 ($3,000) vs. Motif XS 61 + 2GB ($3,000) [2,400+300+300] -- same price -- Kronos 73 ($3,500) vs. Motif XS 76 + 2GB ($3,700) [3,100+300+300] -- Motif XF7 more expensive -- Kronos 88 ($3,800) vs. Motif XS 88 + 2GB ($4,100) [3,500+300+300] -- Motif XF8 more expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DmitryKo Posted January 24, 2011 Members Share Posted January 24, 2011 the Kronos/Motif XF price differential changes when you add in the cost of the 512MB/1GB Flash boards for the Motif XF ($150/$300 each, the XF holds two). The Flash ROM is one of the big selling features of the Motif XF, so I would think it would be a "must have" addition for many buyers. Why not add the price of those large 3rd pary libraries to be loaded into the flash memory? That would easily move the XF into $5000+ mark... Anyway, I'd imagine that should Yamaha need to boost the sales of the Motif XF, they could always include the 512 MB flash board with the unit, and also significantly reduce the price of the flash boards, something like $70/$120 (individual 1 Gbit chips are only $13 per unit in standard packages). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members less_cunning Posted January 25, 2011 Members Share Posted January 25, 2011 The DJs moved to software, and the "Microkorg" market is pretty crowded. Yamaha diversifies in other ways. i meant like the n00bs, the teenagers & the indie hipster kids that buy the Microkorgs & the Electribes & the Kaoss Pads and not the Professional dance-oriented DJs & Producers that have moved onto software. why does that strategy work for Korg but it didn't work for Yamaha & Roland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundwave106 Posted January 25, 2011 Members Share Posted January 25, 2011 i meant like the n00bs, the teenagers & the indie hipster kids that buy the Microkorgs & the Electribes & the Kaoss Pads and not the Professional dance-oriented DJs & Producers that have moved onto software. why does that strategy work for Korg but it didn't work for Yamaha & Roland.Because they don't care or something. There was a time they did. The QY series of sequencers has some hipster cred. 10 years ago, the AN1X was worthy, and the CS1X sold well from all I know.Their new line-up seems kind of stale these days, electronic music wise. Except for the Tenori-On. Which head-scratchingly is more the thing you'd expect to come from a boutique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted January 25, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 25, 2011 That reminds me: someone brought up porting over code from the AN/DX and so on. I bought both the AN200 and the DX200 for less than $200 apiece when they were being blown out. Those include the chips, knobs, software, display, output and midi jacks and so on. And I'm sure Yamaha and the dealer still made a little money on them. I'm thinking that it wouldn't really cost that much to include those chips as-is, in a board that already has its own knobs, outputs and so on. Like I said, I'm not up on all what would be involved, but even if the chips couldn't be used as-is and it meant new code, it seems like it should be very doable with just a little effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 That assumes they can still source the chips. The older the chip design, the more likely they used a fabrication process that's no longer available and they'd have to be redesigned for the new fabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AnotherScott Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 (individual 1 Gbit chips are only $13 per unit in standard packages). Note that not all flash is the same. There is cheaper NAND flash which is accessed as storage, essentially replacing a hard drive (it would be used in SD cards and SSD drives), and much more expensive NOR flash which is accessed as RAM, which would need to be used in something like the XF. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Redhotpoker Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 -- Motif XF8 more expensive I was unaware the XS models had expansion from flash ram? Chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conbrio Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 I was unaware the XS models had expansion from flash ram? I believe he meant the XF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Is there a tear in the space time continuum, it's not like Martin to make a mistake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Redhotpoker Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Is there a tear in the space time continuum, it's not like Martin to make a mistake... hahaha, play nice^ All Space Cadets, must Abort Mission-Abort Mission!! Chas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members less_cunning Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 before the Holy {censored} thread got closed i was going to say if it sounds more like Black Dice & less like the {censored} Buttons i'd give it a listen. as long as its not like spazzy Noise Pop or whatever that crap is called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcdowella Posted January 26, 2011 Members Share Posted January 26, 2011 Is there an elephant in the room? I've been looking for the cheapest way to get reliable access to a VA synth, and I wonder if it isn't to get a cheap Casio keyboard with USB and plug that in to a computer with VstHost and synth1. The Casio is powered, so I don't have to worry about powering USB midi keyboards from laptops, and even if I get problems in the computer hook-up I'll still have something with loads of presets to practise on. With a huge Casio presence at the bottom end of the market, is there any room for budget specialist gear - from Yamaha or anybody else? With the huge volume that Casio turns over, they can probably afford to spend more on tuning up some of their more important presets than some VA synths can afford to spend on their entire development (not to mention their QA, which seems to be a weak spot in budget specialist gear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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