Members zzzxtreme Posted November 29, 2012 Members Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yay, and they dont charge $250 like a company we know... U know the other japanese one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted November 29, 2012 Members Share Posted November 29, 2012 Originally Posted by zzzxtreme Yay, and they dont charge $250 like a company we know... U know the other japanese one Not following... are you talking Yamaha or Korg? And what do they charge 250 dollars for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted November 29, 2012 Members Share Posted November 29, 2012 This is intresting... out in places but for someone who is getting it free... welldone Roland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cresshead Posted November 29, 2012 Members Share Posted November 29, 2012 Originally Posted by Bernard This is intresting... out in places but for someone who is getting it free... welldone Roland... yup...that's probably the best of the bunch so far.excellent stuff....i'll push the buy button as soon as i hear them demo'd on the integra 7! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AnotherScott Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 Originally Posted by cresshead okay so what else it out there...options? Options for what, a rompler with a VA component? Kronos, Kurzweil PC3-anything, an older Motif (like an ES) with a PLG-150AN card, maybe Nord Stage 2 though it's light on the rompler side. Or maybe use any rompler you like and connect an iPad running Animoog, iPolySix, or some other VA program of your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 Funny how the most sought after jupiter patches are the ones the jp-80 fails so miserably at. Even on my laptop the demo just falls apart after the 3:00 mark. Too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sani Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 Originally Posted by zzzxtreme Yay, and they dont charge $250 like a company we know... U know the other japanese one The other japanese company charges that money for a sample based expansion. Not just for a patch collection.The company we talk here about does just the same. The last time I went into a store for a arx/srx expansion, I had to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DJ RAZZ Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 Well it is something to look into. I can't believe that in 2012 we are worrying about not be able to add sounds with out erasing others, especially in machines that cost 2 and 3 thousand dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thorhead Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 Originally Posted by keybdwizrd So Roland has unveiled a bunch of free sounds for the Jupiter-80 and Jupiter-50 synths that are meant to emulate their classic instruments.They have even gone so far as to release comparison videos, that compare, for example, sound for sound, an original Jupiter-8 sound with the corresponding patch on the Jupiter-80.I can't speak for the other videos, but I just spent five minutes watching the Jupiter-8 comparison video. I know from personal experience how challenging it can be to try and create virtually identical patches on two different instruments. That being said, about all this video did was to convince me I really want to have a Jupiter-8 someday. While a few of the comparisons are spot on, many are not, and I distinctly hear the difference between the true analog synthesizer and its digital re-creation. This is more than simply saying the two sounds are not identical - personally, I hear how they've tried to re-create the same feel, and it simply doesn't work. Out-of-phase oscillators on the Jupiter-8 sometimes simply sound like a chorus effect applied on the Jupiter-80.I have never consider myself to be an "analog purist," but after listening to this video, perhaps I am more of a purist than I thought I was. That being said, the sounds on the Jupiter-80 are very listenable, usable, and musical in their own right, and could probably effectively emulate a vintage Jupiter-8 when used in a mix. Some of them do sound very close. But, to be fair, so could any number of other instruments, both hardware and software. Bottom line - for me, at least, you're not going to get rid of a craving for a real Jupiter-8 by purchasing a Jupiter-80 and downloading this free sound set. Not having a Jupiter-80 or 50 I may not watch the other videos, especially since I don't anticipate owning one soon - they're just too pricey for me. Incredible...How much better the jupiter 8 sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 Originally Posted by sani The other japanese company charges that money for a sample based expansion. Not just for a patch collection.The company we talk here about does just the same. The last time I went into a store for a arx/srx expansion, I had to pay for it. Well, one thing we know for sure, is that the Jupiter 80 or 50 will NEVER have a sample-based expansion Korg, Yamaha and Kurzweil on the other hand still make their top of the line products expandable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zzzxtreme Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 Sani, those were in hardware form Would u buy an srx in software form for $250? not talking about 3rd party developers But yeah, I have a roland, and the ui is 'quirky', I can understand your frustration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Re-Member Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 The patches sound quite good on their own, but it seems odd to make side-by-side comparisons. Even on my crappy work computer speaker, I can hear the differences. But again, they don't sound bad, just different. I think what bothers me about this is that the Roland are somehow saying it's the preset sounds that defined their early synths, whereas I feel it's the interface and human interaction of programming your own sounds that defined them as classics. The SH-101 and TB-303 didn't even have presets, let alone patch storage. Having a sound set doesn't really recreate that magic because once you start tweaking these patches on JP-80, they are no longer what they claim to be. It's not like using the Polysix and MS-20 engines in the Kronos, where almost all of the parameters stay true to the original schematics. You could tweak a patch endlessly and it will still have the same characteristics as the original synths. But hey, free is free. Even if people plan on using these sound sets as is, hearing vintage flavored sounds like these in people's music is always a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoink Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 I think it would have been a better idea if they just demoed the Jupiter 80 patches by themselves, without the side by side comparison. On their own the patches sound all right. It was a good idea on Roland's part to do more to showcase the VA capabilities of the Jupiter 80 -- although it also underlines the fact that the JP-80 is not really a multi-model workstation. I could never quite understand why the company with the most to gain from releasing digitally modeled versions of their own classic synths will end up being the last to actually do it. If Roland released a workstation with built-in VA models of the Jupiter 8, System 100, Juno 60, TB-303, SH-101, and D-50, it would sell like hotcakes. I'd be first in line to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Re-Member Posted November 30, 2012 Members Share Posted November 30, 2012 Originally Posted by zoink I could never quite understand why the company with the most to gain from releasing digitally modeled versions of their own classic synths will end up being the last to actually do it. Well, I think the JP-8000 is perhaps the closest they've gotten to recapturing the spirit of the Jupiter 8. It might not sound quite the same, but the interface, synth architect and even patching system is very close. Kind of funny consider it didn't go to the extent of copying the same design scheme like the JP-80 did.Likewise, I feel the MC-X0X series really recaptures the magic of the TR drum machines. If the MC-303 had called itself the MC-606 instead of referencing the TB-303, I think it wouldn't have gotten as much hate as it did. I had one for a few years and as a drum machine, it sounded good and was fun to program. If Roland released a workstation as you described, plus added 16 patch buttons that would also act as an X0X drum input buttons, I'd be heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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