Members darkinhas Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 That was a cool read, thanks for bringing it back from the dead! Man, it's a shame Mesa amps are so rediculously expensive in Europe, but some day I'll get my hands on one of these vintage Marks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slaymoar Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by darkinhas That was a cool read, thanks for bringing it back from the dead!Man, it's a shame Mesa amps are so rediculously expensive in Europe, but some day I'll get my hands on one of these vintage Marks... I really want a mark series amp at some point. Probably a mark and a dual rec or something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slaymoar Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by darkinhas That was a cool read, thanks for bringing it back from the dead!Man, it's a shame Mesa amps are so rediculously expensive in Europe, but some day I'll get my hands on one of these vintage Marks... I really want a mark series amp at some point. Probably a mark and a dual rec or something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paul88lx Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 I always hated the sound of AJFA. The whole album was way too dry. Plus, it seems like they buried Jason in the mix. Garage Days has a way better overall sound. I've always felt they were still lost after losing Cliff. While there are definitely some bright spots, the album seems overwritten. There is enough good riffng on it for three albums. Cliff would have stripped it right down. He was most definitely their spiritual centerpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paul88lx Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 I always hated the sound of AJFA. The whole album was way too dry. Plus, it seems like they buried Jason in the mix. Garage Days has a way better overall sound. I've always felt they were still lost after losing Cliff. While there are definitely some bright spots, the album seems overwritten. There is enough good riffng on it for three albums. Cliff would have stripped it right down. He was most definitely their spiritual centerpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members linthat22 Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by petejt The Metallica (Black Album) tone- that was A LOT more complex.That's not just the MarkIIC+. That's the IIC+ on one rhythm layer, a modified Marshall head on second layer track (this amp provided a LOT of the tone, the guts), and a Mesa/Boogie MarkIV for the "THICKner" third rhythm layer! Plus an ADA MP-1 preamp was thrown in there too. There's some parametric EQ'ing going on, but not as much as AJFA. 10 microphones (8 closely positioned, 2 above for ambience) on 3 Marshall 4x12 cabinets & 1 Mesa/Boogie 4x12 cabinet, all stuck in the corner of the studio recording room, closed off with foam walls & U-Haul blankets, recorded the output, and these each had a track (so that's 8 tracks of guitar! For each amp! 24 {censored}ing guitar tracks! nah lol! Those 8 tracks were used to partially phase-cancel each other, to act like an EQ but not not exactly like an EQ, so the equalisation wouldn't sound so forced, like AJFA. It helped to keep the guts while still getting the thunk & crunch. Phasing wouldn't have been an issue if they had used this wonder marvel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members linthat22 Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by petejt The Metallica (Black Album) tone- that was A LOT more complex.That's not just the MarkIIC+. That's the IIC+ on one rhythm layer, a modified Marshall head on second layer track (this amp provided a LOT of the tone, the guts), and a Mesa/Boogie MarkIV for the "THICKner" third rhythm layer! Plus an ADA MP-1 preamp was thrown in there too. There's some parametric EQ'ing going on, but not as much as AJFA. 10 microphones (8 closely positioned, 2 above for ambience) on 3 Marshall 4x12 cabinets & 1 Mesa/Boogie 4x12 cabinet, all stuck in the corner of the studio recording room, closed off with foam walls & U-Haul blankets, recorded the output, and these each had a track (so that's 8 tracks of guitar! For each amp! 24 {censored}ing guitar tracks! nah lol! Those 8 tracks were used to partially phase-cancel each other, to act like an EQ but not not exactly like an EQ, so the equalisation wouldn't sound so forced, like AJFA. It helped to keep the guts while still getting the thunk & crunch. Phasing wouldn't have been an issue if they had used this wonder marvel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlb32 Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Damn this is a old thread. I've always wondered who does the mods on James amps? Seems like most of the amps he uses alot they say are modified. The Mesa Triaxis setup he's used live forever are supposedly heavily modified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlb32 Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Damn this is a old thread. I've always wondered who does the mods on James amps? Seems like most of the amps he uses alot they say are modified. The Mesa Triaxis setup he's used live forever are supposedly heavily modified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JimAnsell Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by Cougar Hunter the met sound isn't THAT hard to get.mesa flavoured pre+quality parametric eq+ridiculously large, powerful, all-tube,power amp+stiff cabs=Metallica tone. this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JimAnsell Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by Cougar Hunter the met sound isn't THAT hard to get.mesa flavoured pre+quality parametric eq+ridiculously large, powerful, all-tube,power amp+stiff cabs=Metallica tone. this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JimAnsell Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by paul88lx I always hated the sound of AJFA. The whole album was way too dry. Plus, it seems like they buried Jason in the mix. Garage Days has a way better overall sound. I've always felt they were still lost after losing Cliff. While there are definitely some bright spots, the album seems overwritten. There is enough good riffng on it for three albums. Cliff would have stripped it right down.He was most definitely their spiritual centerpiece. i love when people make {censored} up about "what cliff would say", or do, or how he would have done things to keep metallica "good" or whatever.silly bull{censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JimAnsell Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by paul88lx I always hated the sound of AJFA. The whole album was way too dry. Plus, it seems like they buried Jason in the mix. Garage Days has a way better overall sound. I've always felt they were still lost after losing Cliff. While there are definitely some bright spots, the album seems overwritten. There is enough good riffng on it for three albums. Cliff would have stripped it right down.He was most definitely their spiritual centerpiece. i love when people make {censored} up about "what cliff would say", or do, or how he would have done things to keep metallica "good" or whatever.silly bull{censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CaViTaTioN Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by JimAnsell i love when people make {censored} up about "what cliff would say", or do, or how he would have done things to keep metallica "good" or whatever.silly bull{censored}. WWCD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CaViTaTioN Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by JimAnsell i love when people make {censored} up about "what cliff would say", or do, or how he would have done things to keep metallica "good" or whatever.silly bull{censored}. WWCD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlb32 Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by JimAnsell i love when people make {censored} up about "what cliff would say", or do, or how he would have done things to keep metallica "good" or whatever.silly bull{censored}. I think most forget that Cliff was the one least into thrash and speed metal in the band. He loved the classical, bluesy, melodic stuff. If nothing else they might have did a Load and ReLoad sooner with Cliff around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlb32 Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 Originally Posted by JimAnsell i love when people make {censored} up about "what cliff would say", or do, or how he would have done things to keep metallica "good" or whatever.silly bull{censored}. I think most forget that Cliff was the one least into thrash and speed metal in the band. He loved the classical, bluesy, melodic stuff. If nothing else they might have did a Load and ReLoad sooner with Cliff around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paul88lx Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 I bet Cliff would have been all like "{censored} that Jaymze. This AJFA tone sounds like Mave. We gots to dirty it up." Then he would have been all like "Shut the {censored} up Larz. You can have a opinion when you actually learn how to play." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paul88lx Posted December 30, 2012 Members Share Posted December 30, 2012 I bet Cliff would have been all like "{censored} that Jaymze. This AJFA tone sounds like Mave. We gots to dirty it up." Then he would have been all like "Shut the {censored} up Larz. You can have a opinion when you actually learn how to play." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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