Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Moderators Share Posted February 11, 2012 Hey Tweedbucket! Interested in a cowrite? I'm thinking glam country. Really... So guys, how's this working? Make sense? Too lame? I'm serious about glam country. I notice country artists like to "push the envelope" of safe. Or appear to. It's darn tantalizing, Merle. Loud rock guitars, some cool swampy drum beat, a little moralizin' for god and country. Quote some Ziggy/Ronson riffs and refit for country. This work? Dangerously safe. 1st draft V1Dayton Ohio underage on dirty streetsWhile stupid high school jock fools got plenty to eatHe's a vanilla-wafer-thin-cookie, gotta shadow tanBoy to a freak in a rock and roll band C1From a boy to a freakBoy to a freakCheck the physique, manDig the mystique, manFrom a boy to a freak V2Fog machine, glam queen, tranny under lightsBeat up trash guitar tuned high as a kiteKnow-it-all or nothin', dumb and stupid, hand in handBoy to a freak in a rock and roll band C2Boy to a freakBoy to a freakCheck the physique, manDig the mystique, manFrom a boy to a freak V3Yokahama-Munich-Marseille-Rome and in betweenDrugs on toast feed a cocaine glitter dreamWhat made him that way, his mom'll never knowStolen pills from her purse, that made him go-go-go Byou can run, boy, you can hideyou can swim against the tide, boyspend your money gettin' rock and roll riled *but nothing's gonna change the fact... ...this man is still a child C3Boy to a freakBoy to a freakCheck the physiqueDig the mystiqueFrom a boy to a freak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted February 11, 2012 Members Share Posted February 11, 2012 Not hearing the country but the lyric is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted February 11, 2012 Not hearing the country but the lyric is good. Like this... [video=youtube;Qt0_oPPK6eA] [video=youtube;rB7ONnfIjaI] [video=youtube;isLqoB3v_wI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isLqoB3v_wI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted February 11, 2012 Members Share Posted February 11, 2012 Okay, after listening to the videos I kinda see what you're thinking is in terms of musical styles. The only problem I see is with the lyric. In country men are men (or hombres) and women are women. It's true the women in country may be tough, but they're always retain their femininity. The only feminine traits allowed to men in country are things like secretly crying when their daddy dies, or when their son (or daughter) is born, or when the Cowboys lose. There's no crying in baseball, and there's no androgyny in country music. But other than that... LCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 12, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2012 ...and there's no androgyny in country music. True... but there are a lot of guys that might say, "Boy George? Shouldn't that be GIRL George! So I'd like to try and keep an eye on that. For instance, the line slamming the jocks. Probably not a good idea. I'd like to attempt to straddle the fence between scandalously out there for them and sort of WTF?!?!?! type staring at the freak. I don't want to belittle "The Freak". I personally love glam and in my day loved a little androgyny. But I'm straight up hetro. So this character is close to my heart. And I'm sure folks from country small towns know this kid too. Right? So... it will need a rewrite, for sure. I got arrangement cooking in my head. And you may be right and it's all for nothing... but it's worth to try. Maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 I personally love glam and in my day loved a little androgyny. But I'm straight up hetro. So this character is close to my heart. And I'm sure folks from country small towns know this kid too. Right? So... it will need a rewrite, for sure. I got arrangement cooking in my head. And you may be right and it's all for nothing... but it's worth to try. A songwriter's gotta do what a songwriter's gotta do... So, yeah, go for it. Let's see what develops. LCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Monkey Uncle Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 The concept piques my curiosity. I'll be interested to hear what you do with it. I can sort of feel a country rhythm in the chorus. "Check the physique, man/Dig the mystique, man" has a feel similar to Cash's "I've been everywhere, man." One tiny nit to pick with the lyric: the word "wiles" in the bridge doesn't seem right. Sneaky trickery? I don't think that's what you really meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 the word "wiles" in the bridge doesn't seem right. Sneaky trickery? I don't think that's what you really meant. I took it to mean "charms," not trickery. LCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 12, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2012 I took it to mean "charms," not trickery.LCK I meant whim and had it wrong. May I should have the payoff rhyme not be "child" but back to "boy" you can run, boy, you can hideyou can swim against the tide, boyspend your money on yer rock and roll toysbut nothing's gonna change the fact......this man is still a boy But that's a lot of "boys" and I like that it used "boy" then paid off with child. Wild? you can run, boy, you can hideyou can swim against the tide, boyspend your money gettin' rock and roll wildbut nothing's gonna change the fact......this man is still a child eh you can run, boy, you can hideyou can swim against the tide, boycover up with makeup the scars you thought you hidbut nothing's gonna change the fact......this man is just kid hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oswlek Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 you can run, boy, you can hideyou can swim against the tide, boyspend your money gettin' rock and roll wildbut nothing's gonna change the fact......this man is still a child This is it. I don't know enough about country to know what will sell and what won't but I can tell just be reading that this is going to have a great beat. No nitpicks whatsoever, now that "wiles" is out of there. I didn't even know what that meant, and the rest of the your lyric was too down to Earth to toss something like that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 12, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2012 ...now that "wiles" is out of there. I didn't even know what that meant, and the rest of the your lyric was too down to Earth to toss something like that in. It meant I was trying to say he's still really a kid and I needed a rhyme for child! I didn't like the obvious "wild" initially because it conjured cliches right away. Too many to mention. But now, having developed the bridge and having more to work with, the phrase "gettin' rock and roll wild" is a bit of a twist. I think it works. Thanks Justin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stickboymusic Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 rock n roll wild is cool or rock n roll riled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 12, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2012 rock n roll wild is coolor rock n roll riled? Riled!!! That's great. * you can run, boy, you can hideyou can swim against the tide, boyspend your money gettin' rock and roll riledbut nothing's gonna change the fact......this man is still a child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oswlek Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 Riled is so good that it makes me disappointed that I didn't think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted February 12, 2012 Members Share Posted February 12, 2012 I like wild, but hey... LCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 12, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted February 12, 2012 I like them both. Riled has a little bit of insensitive Asian stereotype mocking in rock-n-roll-riled. But I love the phrase. Kinda of a lip twister though. Wild feels a bit more standard and therefore always the second choice for me. But it may just sing way better. And that would seal that deal. I'm happy to have two good candidates to replace a weak spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Tweedbucket Posted February 13, 2012 Members Share Posted February 13, 2012 Yeah, that's interesting...... and pretty good. I wrote the original lyrics a couple years ago and this weekend put some music to them. I was just being goofy with the lyrics, but shuffled a few things around. It's actually a piano song now. Well, put it to music and see how it goes! Hey Tweedbucket! Interested in a cowrite? I'm thinking glam country. Really... So guys, how's this working? Make sense? Too lame? I'm serious about glam country. I notice country artists like to "push the envelope" of safe. Or appear to. It's darn tantalizing, Merle. Loud rock guitars, some cool swampy drum beat, a little moralizin' for god and country. Quote some Ziggy/Ronson riffs and refit for country. This work? Dangerously safe. 1st draft V1 Dayton Ohio underage on dirty streets While stupid high school jock fools got plenty to eat He's a vanilla-wafer-thin-cookie, gotta shadow tan Boy to a freak in a rock and roll band C1 From a boy to a freak Boy to a freak Check the physique, man Dig the mystique, man From a boy to a freak V2 Fog machine, glam queen, tranny under lights Beat up trash guitar tuned high as a kite Know-it-all or nothin', dumb and stupid, hand in hand Boy to a freak in a rock and roll band C2 Boy to a freak Boy to a freak Check the physique, man Dig the mystique, man From a boy to a freak V3 Yokahama-Munich-Marseille-Rome and in between Drugs on toast feed a cocaine glitter dream What made him that way, his mom'll never know Stolen pills from her purse, that made him go-go-go B you can run, boy, you can hide you can swim against the tide, boy spend your money gettin' rock and roll riled * but nothing's gonna change the fact... ...this man is still a child C3 Boy to a freak Boy to a freak Check the physique Dig the mystique From a boy to a freak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted February 13, 2012 Members Share Posted February 13, 2012 I think the lyric is great. Androgyny probably won't be embraced by most rocking pop country fans. I still think you should go ahead with it. These days the only difference I usually hear in pop country and rock is the vocal delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted February 13, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2012 It sure would be easy to nix the androgyny altogether. Just make him a freaking rock dude. Pull and rewrite these phrases: glam queen, tranny under lights And take the jock slam away: While stupid high school jock fools got plenty to eat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted February 13, 2012 Members Share Posted February 13, 2012 It sure would be easy to nix the androgyny altogether. Just make him a freaking rock dude. Pull and rewrite these phrases:glam queen, tranny under lightsAnd take the jock slam away: While stupid high school jock fools got plenty to eat I'd keep glam queen and just lose 'tranny.' The type of person that would get uptight about this subject matter probably wouldn't even catch glam queen, and if they did they probably wouldn't get it. If you were still worried about it, you could say glam king, which could be the name of your glam country hero. This subject matter screams for a concept album or at least an EP. I'd write 4 or 5 tunes that tell this kids story. Glam Country. Interesting premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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