Members Shenaniganizer Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 But, for the love of God, DO NOT attempt to recreate the {censored} that Peavey put on their heads/cabs/combos in the 80s. ffffuuuuuuuuuu no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Also I don't like buying ported cabs because they are so picky on the speakers you use with them. It's not the speakers fault! A well designed ported cab will make virtually ANY speaker sound great! Anyways, I vote for the bluesbreaker style cab. It's pretty much garnered the quintessential vintage rock title at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nwright Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 I'd be totally down for a white box cab if they were more like 30x30x14 (inches) or a bit bigger. I just can't get with the slightly smaller dimensions all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twangr Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Good to see that the Modern series is working out for you. At this point in time a vert 2x12 with a closed bottom & open top would probably be your best bet for a near-term.immediate expansion of the Modern series. Definitely a unique and demanded product. You're definitely on the right track in holding off further expansion of the Modern series at this time. If you're seriously contemplating ported cabs then you will need adequate R&D time for product development. Ported cabs are picky and you will need to limit the selection of drivers for ported cabs in order to make sure you're offering the best tones. The Eminence speakers you offer might really come into their own with ported cabs. Retro would be the way to go at the moment. The market is definitely into the tail end of demand for retro styled products but there are still plenty of sales to be made. from my POV the Fender style cabs are rather ubiquitous. They are also popular. If you are going to choose one style the Fender style would probably be your best bet. the Marshall style are not quite as common and offering these will get you in front of of a more selective market. For this to really work well for you, you will probably need to offer these cabs covered with a wider choice of Tolex colors and 2-tone will be popular. You will need to offer Marshall-esque grill cloth. The op handle would probably work for 1x12 cabs but for 2x12 cabs you might want consider also adding the recessed steel handles on the sides. As a personal opinion I would offer both retro styles. Later on down the line I would also offer an expanded retro line having cabs with more of an "art moderne" style. I would probably offer these on more of a custom cab basis. I don't know if you're doing the basic machine type woodworking or if you're equipped with CNC machines. If the former then I would push production of these custom type cabs further into the future. If CNC I would probably start playing with the programming now. The trick for these types of cabs will in the baffle/grill design. The challenge is often in how to cover these designs with Tolex. This might a place where you could consider the use of DurTex or similar coating rather than using Tolex. the initial cost of material may be higher but by the time you figure in how much is saved in both labor and waste the DuraTex or similar coating becomes the more economical choice. the only questin is how the market would receive such a coating. It looks great and holds up well on PA cabs but might not be so aesthetically pleasing to musicians. Also, if you are CNC based it might be worth offering to supply cabs or cabs & speakers to various amp makers. A small market that would require extra work to develop to be sure but, one that could ultimately be a profit center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yarbicus Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Ok! Great suggestion, I will look into it. I am not familiar with the cab so I need to sniff around for it some. I will see if I still have any pictures of the one I had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seattle Doug Posted October 25, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 I'd be totally down for a white box cab if they were more like 30x30x14 (inches) or a bit bigger. I just can't get with the slightly smaller dimensions all around. Really? I can imagine the width increasing a couple inches in a new version but 30" tall is extreme, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seattle Doug Posted October 25, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Good to see that the Modern series is working out for you. At this point in time a vert 2x12 with a closed bottom & open top would probably be your best bet for a near-term.immediate expansion of the Modern series. Definitely a unique and demanded product.You're definitely on the right track in holding off further expansion of the Modern series at this time. If you're seriously contemplating ported cabs then you will need adequate R&D time for product development. Ported cabs are picky and you will need to limit the selection of drivers for ported cabs in order to make sure you're offering the best tones. The Eminence speakers you offer might really come into their own with ported cabs.Retro would be the way to go at the moment. The market is definitely into the tail end of demand for retro styled products but there are still plenty of sales to be made. from my POV the Fender style cabs are rather ubiquitous. They are also popular. If you are going to choose one style the Fender style would probably be your best bet. the Marshall style are not quite as common and offering these will get you in front of of a more selective market. For this to really work well for you, you will probably need to offer these cabs covered with a wider choice of Tolex colors and 2-tone will be popular. You will need to offer Marshall-esque grill cloth. The op handle would probably work for 1x12 cabs but for 2x12 cabs you might want consider also adding the recessed steel handles on the sides.As a personal opinion I would offer both retro styles. Later on down the line I would also offer an expanded retro line having cabs with more of an "art moderne" style. I would probably offer these on more of a custom cab basis. I don't know if you're doing the basic machine type woodworking or if you're equipped with CNC machines. If the former then I would push production of these custom type cabs further into the future. If CNC I would probably start playing with the programming now. The trick for these types of cabs will in the baffle/grill design. The challenge is often in how to cover these designs with Tolex. This might a place where you could consider the use of DurTex or similar coating rather than using Tolex. the initial cost of material may be higher but by the time you figure in how much is saved in both labor and waste the DuraTex or similar coating becomes the more economical choice. the only questin is how the market would receive such a coating. It looks great and holds up well on PA cabs but might not be so aesthetically pleasing to musicians.Also, if you are CNC based it might be worth offering to supply cabs or cabs & speakers to various amp makers. A small market that would require extra work to develop to be sure but, one that could ultimately be a profit center. Ok, thanks very much for this input - yes, we use CNC for the baffles and some other parts and have traditional saws as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dolf Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Really? I can imagine the width increasing a couple inches in a new version but 30" tall is extreme, isn't it? Orange cabs are 29x30.5x15, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seattle Doug Posted October 25, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Orange cabs are 29x30.5x15, right? Maybe I am looking at the wrong stuff? About 22" tall, I think, according to these: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Orange-Amplifiers-PPC-Series-PPC212C-120W-2x12-Guitar-Speaker-Cabinet?sku=424069&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=543164336 or the open back: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Orange-Amplifiers-PPC-Series-PPC212OB-120W-2x12-Guitar-Speaker-Cabinet?sku=424052&rec=product_sim_A Is there another model I should be looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seattle Doug Posted October 25, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Wait - I'm a dumba$$. We are talking about 4x12 and I am posting about 2x12? Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thesparkeffect Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 The Orange cabs are more like (for the 212 that is) ~30x~20x~15 (inches) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dolf Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Wait - I'm a dumba$$. We are talking about 4x12 and I am posting about 2x12? Sorry.lollerskates.Everybody was confused, I thinkI'm seriously considering just waiting longer and getting another whitebox 4x12 instead of ordering a 2x12 I'll probably get a 2x12...3/4 stack ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thesparkeffect Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Slightly off topic but somewhat related to product development at WhiteBox Eng. Possible WhiteBox ISO Cab? Your choice of Tolex, Speaker, one mic or two mic holders, wheels. I know their are other solutions but an ISO box is of great interest to me being a condo dweller and wanting to migrate away from direct recording with my vox tonelabs. (Really would like to use my JCA50 + ISO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dolf Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 I'm pretty sure Doug is trying to have as few conflicts of interest as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thesparkeffect Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 I'm pretty sure Doug is trying to have as few conflicts of interest as possible I had originally thought that - but also having 112, 212s and 412s I was not sure how much of a conflict this would be. Certainly a fair observation as an ISO is more of a niche product. I am tracking the arrival of his other company's ISO into the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nwright Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Wait - I'm a dumba$$. We are talking about 4x12 and I am posting about 2x12? Sorry. Yeah, I was talking about 4x12's. I don't doubt the quality of the build, but I just know that I'd always be thinking, "man this would sound huge if it was the full marshall or mesa size 4x12"...Regardless of how huge the cabs sound at their current size. Also in the looks dept., for larger amp heads, it looks funny/goofy to have a head hanging over the edges of the cab (IMHO). My cabs now are 29x19x15 and the depth is perfect, but I wish they were at least 30x30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seattle Doug Posted October 25, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 I had originally thought that - but also having 112, 212s and 412s I was not sure how much of a conflict this would be. Certainly a fair observation as an ISO is more of a niche product. I am tracking the arrival of his other company's ISO into the USA. Yeah, I am thinking about this. No, I don't think it's SO much of a conflict, as long as the WBE is as different from the JCA as the current 1x12, 2x12, 4x12 are from the JCA range.And, I think the Eminence FDM in an ISO would be stellar. So yeah, I am cooking a few things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seattle Doug Posted October 25, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Yeah, I was talking about 4x12's. I don't doubt the quality of the build, but I just know that I'd always be thinking, "man this would sound huge if it was the full marshall or mesa size 4x12"...Regardless of how huge the cabs sound at their current size. Also in the looks dept., for larger amp heads, it looks funny/goofy to have a head hanging over the edges of the cab (IMHO). My cabs now are 29x19x15 and the depth is perfect, but I wish they were at least 30x30. right... I am smelling what you're cooking now. I wasn't even in the kitchen before. Maybe if I go for the BB style, I could put a 4x12 in the same series, and make it 30x30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members duncan Posted October 25, 2010 Members Share Posted October 25, 2010 Marshall style Braced like a Mills Marshall style grill cloth options 6x12, god damn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unskathed123 Posted November 4, 2010 Members Share Posted November 4, 2010 Diagonal 2x12 please. If you make a diagonal 2x12, with convertible back , and stackable with your current 2x12...omg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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