Members Nolly Posted April 3, 2011 Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 Love the look of that thing, and from what I understand it should be an absolutely killer sounding amp. I love the look of the VH4's knob layout, but having the channels laid out horizontally as has been done on the Hagen definitely makes a lot more sense. Can't wait to try one out!Also, lol at the guy who needed 8 posts to assert his wonderful opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duesentrieb Posted April 3, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 So can you elaborate on the concept? or is that confidential until the Messe? Sure: The clean channel is less Hifi and goes up to (very) mild distorted sounds. It is (for a Diezel) a new design.2nd channel covers (as in the current VH4) a wide range. Ch3 and Ch4 are even fatter than in the VH4, with more lower mids. Compared to Herbert it has less of Herbert's "super bottom end". Less compressed than the VH4. A modern, fat, hard rocker. Why three loops?Well the switchable serial is cool as an "expansion interface" (say you want to add your XY Preamp to your rig, switchable, without loopers and that). And additionally you have the choice of either a permanent serial or parallel loop. One prefers this, the other that. A pretty cool concept if you ask me . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members superflyinmonke Posted April 3, 2011 Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 That is a pretty cool concept with the loops. I just didn't understand why, though getting another pre-amp to run in front of an amp with 4 pre-amps in it means to me that there's something wrong with you. Nobody "needs" that many pre-amps to achieve what they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duesentrieb Posted April 3, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 Well, from a designers perspective: Diezel has their own Midi design with their own programmer. The controller offers 4 channels and 4 switchable functions plus mute (muting in the ms area while switching) and store of course. So keeping history in mind (the first Diezel was launched during the rack fridge time with loopers and stuff) the concept in the beginning was to offer a soundmachine with interfaces to expand your rig into directions not offered by the main amp - which was and still is super cool. You like Herbert's sound for ultra riffing and occasionally want a Soldano high mid X88R lead take over the 20 seconds of nowadays soloing on stage without buying another fridge with bells and whistles? Well - it is already built in. And when the technology is already there, why not use it - it will not degrade the tone, because everything is relay switched and just a question of switching and not addtional parts. You don't want to use it? Don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Valtiel Posted April 3, 2011 Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 Sure: The clean channel is less Hifi and goes up to (very) mild distorted sounds. It is (for a Diezel) a new design. 2nd channel covers (as in the current VH4) a wide range. Ch3 and Ch4 are even fatter than in the VH4, with more lower mids. Compared to Herbert it has less of Herbert's "super bottom end". Less compressed than the VH4. A modern, fat, hard rocker. Why three loops? Well the switchable serial is cool as an "expansion interface" (say you want to add your XY Preamp to your rig, switchable, without loopers and that). And additionally you have the choice of either a permanent serial or parallel loop. One prefers this, the other that. A pretty cool concept if you ask me . . . Sounds pretty kickass, can't wait to hear some clips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nerine Posted April 3, 2011 Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 How will it stack up in terms of price? Between the VH4 and Herbert? Less than the VH4? More than the Herbert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duesentrieb Posted April 3, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 No idea, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitar_face Posted April 3, 2011 Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 Sure: The clean channel is less Hifi and goes up to (very) mild distorted sounds. It is (for a Diezel) a new design. 2nd channel covers (as in the current VH4) a wide range. Ch3 and Ch4 are even fatter than in the VH4, with more lower mids. Compared to Herbert it has less of Herbert's "super bottom end". Less compressed than the VH4. A modern, fat, hard rocker. Why three loops? Well the switchable serial is cool as an "expansion interface" (say you want to add your XY Preamp to your rig, switchable, without loopers and that). And additionally you have the choice of either a permanent serial or parallel loop. One prefers this, the other that. A pretty cool concept if you ask me . . . Nice , now I'm much more interested in hearing clips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duesentrieb Posted April 3, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 Thursday. Two very good players (w diff. styles) will be there to demo it . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Les-Zombie Posted April 3, 2011 Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 Im very interested in this amp, i own a herbert and love it but i owned a vh4 and hated it, i also had a einstein but liked my herbert better. So if it doesnt sound like a vh4 i might like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duesentrieb Posted April 3, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 You will probably like it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members igge Posted April 3, 2011 Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 Interesting. I really like the specs and am sure it sounds killer. I need to win the lottery now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sikor Posted April 4, 2011 Members Share Posted April 4, 2011 Thursday. Two very good players (w diff. styles) will be there to demo it . . .I'll be there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MadKeithV Posted April 4, 2011 Members Share Posted April 4, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagen_(legend) Grim, violent, and one-eyed. Less compressed than a VH4, more bottom end.I'm interested in getting me another diezel all of a sudden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loud'n'A-noise Posted April 4, 2011 Members Share Posted April 4, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted April 4, 2011 Members Share Posted April 4, 2011 Looks awesome and specs say it should be sick but there's something in the voicing of the Diezels that I just never have liked. Herbert was my favorite out of the lineup though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ruppert240 Posted April 4, 2011 Members Share Posted April 4, 2011 I can't stand the slanted knob layout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members killgrace Posted April 5, 2011 Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 Being a Herbert and a VH4 owner...I have always felt that in some way a combination of the two amps COULD prove to amazing. I'm hoping this amp is it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members C-4 Posted April 5, 2011 Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 The Hagen will be as fine as every other Diezel, only different. If you have not played every Diezel, then you would not understand the sonic and tactile differences between them. Do not judge an amp's quality on whether it is p-t-p wired or not. These amps are not to be built using that type of wiring due to their complexity. However, the pc boards are not the same quality that you find on GC store amps either. This is an entirely different and superior level of build quality throughout. I find it interesting that an amp is judged on it's looks by some, rather then how it sounds. How quaint. If an amp sounds as I desire it to sound for my personal taste, I don't really care how it looks. I don't buy amps to use as paperweights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sonofabias Posted April 5, 2011 Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 I'm looking forward to trying the Hagen . I had the opportunity to rehearse with a full stack V4 last year and compare it with my Engl Invader. I liked the flexibility and some of the tones of the V4 , but found it to be rather dry for my taste. The factor is price which might be prohibitive. A friend of mine in new york who's a Diezel authorized dealer said the mark up is too much in the states , making them not worth it in his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members killgrace Posted April 5, 2011 Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 ...Any idea when some details, demos, clips, ect will be available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Duesentrieb Posted April 6, 2011 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2011 Thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members killgrace Posted April 6, 2011 Members Share Posted April 6, 2011 Thursday Great...Looking forward to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shenaniganizer Posted April 6, 2011 Members Share Posted April 6, 2011 .. What's the point in having 3 loops? Really, can anybody - besides a professional musician, I guess - justify having that many? Or am I just missing out on some new dimension of awesome involving multiple effects loops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EdgeOfDarkness Posted April 6, 2011 Members Share Posted April 6, 2011 Looks like a litebrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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