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1100hp 2013 Shelby GT500?? What in the world??


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But that's the thing, the GT-R isn't a pig. In terms of handling, keeps up with cars weight 800 pounds less.

 

:lol: My point exactly...So why does weight matter if it keeps up with them, which in turn puts it in the exact.same.class.of.car... :freak:

 

If Nissan wanted to beat those cars, why didn't they engineer it better to weigh less :idea:

 

GM put hundreds (if not thousands) of hours into designing the ZR1 out of light weight materials. And as it turns out, that benefited them greatly :idea:

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My point exactly...So why does weight matter if it keeps up with them, which in turn puts it in the
exact.same.class.of.car
...
:freak:



But with the ZR1, it isn't in the same class. This has been my point all along. The ZR1 is capable of beating Ferraris, Lambos, and high end Porsches. Why the hell would you guys want to compare it to a GT-R when it can beat cars that are so much faster?

Nissan built the GT-R with the intention of beating the ZO6, not the ZR1. The current ZR1 never even existed when they were developing it.

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That says nothing about an Atom
:freak:

However, this post by you does:

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2895269-1100hp-2013-Shelby-GT500-What-in-the-world&p=45552348&viewfull=1#post45552348



The Atom was my point at demonstrating that any unfair comparison can be made. I didn't say that EOD made that argument, I said that I could make the SAME sort of argument. Re-read post #122.

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But with the ZR1, it isn't in the same class. This has been my point all along. The ZR1 is capable of beating Ferraris, Lambos, and high end Porsches. Why the hell would you guys want to compare it to a GT-R when it can beat cars that are so much faster?


Nissan built the GT-R with the intention of beating the ZO6, not the ZR1. The current ZR1 never even existed when they were developing it.

 

We AREN'T comparing it to the GT-R, just putting it where it belongs in the class...But why the hell would you brag about beating a car that costs 20-30 thousand dollars less (Z06) than a GT-R...The GT-R is a $100,000 dollar car...The ZR1 is a $100,000 dollar car...They post similar times...therefore the GT-R is in the ZR-1's class...

 

And on that note, this is my last post in this thread, because you are out of your mind :freak:

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We AREN'T comparing it to the GT-R

 

 

Post #100

 

 

just putting it where it belongs in the class...But why the hell would you brag about beating a car that costs 20-30 thousand dollars less (Z06) than a GT-R...The GT-R is a $100,000 dollar car...The ZR1 is a $100,000 dollar car...

 

 

Price doesn't matter when comparing how well a car performs. I could build a car that is faster than a Veyron on a drag strip (and in top speed) for so much cheaper.

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Yes, but if the power/weight ratio isn't similar for both cars, the performance comparison wouldn't be fair.


If that's the case, I can make the same argument that EdgeOfDarkness made on the previous page by using another unfair comparison. An Ariel Atom would destroy a ZR1. And the Atom does it all with a little Japanese 4 banger. So much for that V8.

 

 

The atom is a bad-assed car. It is the most impractical street legal car I have ever seen though. I would still like to have one.

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What do you disagree with? The ZR1 has around 100hp more than the GT-R, and weighs 500 pounds less. It isn't a fair comparison. A better comparison would be the C6 ZO6 (which still has an 800 pound weight advantage).



Don't forget the GT-R is also AWD , it should make up the difference on the track.Yet those RWD cars are still out handling it through the S's and pulling more G's :lol:

Wait , I forgot, American cars can only go in a straight line.

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Don't forget the GT-R is also AWD , it should make up the difference on the track.

 

 

On the Ring, not really. The Ring has several long stretches where high speed comes into play. A RWD car will accelerate faster from 60mph than an AWD car.

 

The GT-R may very well beat the C6 ZO6 on a smaller track like Tsukuba.

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On the Ring, not really. The Ring has several long stretches where high speed comes into play. A RWD car will accelerate faster from 60mph than an AWD car.


The GT-R may very well beat the C6 ZO6 on a smaller track like Tsukuba.

 

 

The AWD will also put more power to the ground quicker.

My point was the vette and viper have no problems keeping up or cornering as good, if not better, than a lot of import cars.

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The AWD will also put more power to the ground quicker.

 

 

For a very short period. After a certain speed, RWD cars become superior. That's why AWD cars are not considered good while racing from a roll, but good from a standstill. Last I checked, there weren't any stop signs on Nurburgring.

 

On a side-note, the GT-R beats the ZR1 on Tsukuba by 2 seconds, which is a large margin on such a short track. 2 seconds on the Ring is very small considering it's a 13 mile course.

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For a very short period. After a certain speed, RWD cars become superior. That's why AWD cars are not considered good while racing from a roll, but good from a standstill. Last I checked, there weren't any stop signs on Nurburgring.


On a side-note, the GT-R beats the ZR1 on Tsukuba by 2 seconds, which is a large margin on such a short track. 2 seconds on the Ring is very small considering it's a 13 mile course.

 

 

An AWD car SHOULD be able to take corners faster than an RWD car.

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An AWD car SHOULD be able to take corners faster than an RWD car.

 

 

But immediately after coming out of the turn, a RWD car of similar power/weight ratio will be superior.

 

Here is a good example of why AWD is inferior while accelerating from a roll. Both cars have similar HP and weight figures, but the Lambo is AWD and the Vette is RWD. You'll notice that right when the race starts, the Lambo gains a short lead due to AWD, but the Vette eventually wins. This same concept will play out when leaving a turn and accelerating onto a straight portion of the track.

 

 

 

A car with AWD simply isn't going to do as good on a high speed course like Nurburgring.

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ZR1 has far more power, so it'll post faster lap times around road course. A better comparison in terms of power/weight ratio* would be C6 ZO6 vs. GT-R. The C6 ZO6 is only 2 seconds better on the Ring, despite weighing nearly 1,000 pounds less (a HUGE difference). It's not that the ZO6 should be faster, it's just that the GT-R (given it's weight) handles incredibly well. It's able to keep up with a car that has a
massive
weight advantage.


*when comparing the
performance
of two cars, power/weight ratio is the only statistic that matters. Cost is irrelevant. If you want to compare the
cost
of two cars, then obviously the cost is relevent. How much a car costs has no bearing on how well it performs. If cost = performance, then the Ariel Atom 300 is far better than anything listed in this thread.

 

 

The Ariel Atom is better than anything listed in this thread anyway.

 

"Open" wheels are just that cool.

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The Ariel Atom is better than anything listed in this thread anyway.


"Open" wheels are just
that
cool.



Its illegal here to run cars without fenders, don'tmost of those gocarts have fenders ?

I would have killed this guy yesterday if he pulled in front of me. I was hoping we would pass a cop so they would take his jeep.

IMG_2670.jpg

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Its illegal here to run cars without fenders, don'tmost of those gocarts have fenders ?


I would have killed this guy yesterday if he pulled in front of me. I was hoping we would pass a cop so they would take his jeep.


IMG_2670.jpg

 

That's why I put the quotes around Open.

 

You can see here:

ariel-atom-from-brian.jpg

that the wheels do have fenders, they just move with the wheel, giving the same feel as a fenderless car.

 

The first car I ever got to drive was a 1929 Ford roadster. Being able to see the wheels as you turn them is an awesome experience.

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