Members jedistar Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=230337047853 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members daklander Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 Uncirculated? Right! Check out the fretboard divots. Headstock dings. Pick wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brokepick Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 Even with the divots and dings, it looks good-- almost too good. That pickguard should be toast by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members daklander Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 Yeah, if it was not claimed to be un-circulated those dings and dents, cracks & etc would not be an issue. As it is, it's a misrepresentation of the guitar and it's usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Samilyn Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 I just sent the seller the following question. I'm sure the response will be interesting. "Hello, Would you be so kind as to clarify your use of the word "uncirculated"? The guitar shows signs of extensive usage, hence, my request for some clarification. Thank you,Sammye" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpoonyJank Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 It probably had strings on it for a lot of its life judging by the wear. I'd wonder how much the soundboard has bowed or if it needs a neck reset. The guy said it has good action for flatpicking without providing a real measurement. Meaning its probably pretty damn high. I don't really know if people actually buy these for playability though. I don't even know if a neck reset devalues a guitar when its that old and expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Samilyn Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 I just received the following message from the seller: "Uncirculated means it hasn't been in the hands of very many collectors and if you call some fret wear signs of "exstensive usage" then you should not consider buying a 70 year old guitar.Regards, Steve" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guildfire Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 I just received the following message from the seller:"Uncirculated means it hasn't been in the hands of very many collectors and if you call some fret wear signs of "exstensive usage" then you should not consider buying a 70 year old guitar.Regards, Steve" Bad answer. Something is not right. Plus he can't spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Samilyn Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 Bad answer. Something is not right. Plus he can't spell. Indeed. Snotty one, isn't he? Additionally, "uncirculated" means just that, so more than one owner makes it circulated. Dude needs to peruse a Webster's, among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpoonyJank Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 I just received the following message from the seller:Uncirculated means it hasn't been in the hands of very many collectors and if you call some fret wear signs of "exstensive usage" then you should not consider buying a 70 year old guitar.Regards, Steve So essentially "uncirculated" indicates nothing good or bad whatsoever? Either it could have been impossible to get rid of for what someone bought it for, or it was just too good to let go. It's obviously in pretty good condition besides the crack on the back, but a lot of the descriptions have that creepy salesman vibe. That guy also sounds rather pompous. I would sort of expect that though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guildfire Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 Indeed. Snotty one, isn't he?Additionally, "uncirculated" means just that, so more than one owner makes it circulated. Dude needs to peruse a Webster's, among other things. Yeah, he definitely is in need of an "attitude" adjustment so say the least. And if I was going to spend what he is asking I would say, "OK dude, let's meet in Nazareth and let those folks look it over". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Samilyn Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 So essentially "uncirculated" indicates nothing good or bad whatsoever? Either it could have been impossible to get rid of for what someone bought it for, or it was just too good to let go. It's obviously in pretty good condition besides the crack on the back, but a lot of the descriptions have that creepy salesman vibe. That guy also sounds rather pompous. I would sort of expect that though.. Well, in this case, "uncirculated" is nothing but bull{censored}. The git has been in the hands of more than one collector, so has been circulated, albeit perhaps minimally. So, does the seller wish to purport that the guitar is indeed uncirculated, as per the proper definition of the word? If so, I have serious doubts as to the seller's integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpoonyJank Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 It's just the tone they use when they think someone doesn't have the money. If he thought you did, he would undoubtedly be kissing your ass. Fortunately for that guy he has a high likelihood of being correct at that price. I haven't actually been inside a music store in like 4 years until a few days ago mostly for that reason. Neither reaction is going to stroke me right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Samilyn Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 It's just the tone they use when they think someone doesn't have the money. If he thought you did, he would undoubtedly be kissing your ass. Fortunately for that guy he has a high likelihood of being correct at that price. I haven't actually been inside a music store in like 4 years until a few days ago mostly for that reason. Neither reaction is going to stroke me right. And what's funny is that I do indeed know a collector who fancies pre-war Martins, and would have given him a heads-up on this if the dude hadn't been such a snot. (My friend is an old guy who doesn't much like computers, much less, Fleabay, so I would have assisted with the deal if he'd been interested.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guildfire Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 Too many "red flags" with this seller. His story doesn't jive and he treats potential customers like crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Samilyn Posted April 20, 2009 Members Share Posted April 20, 2009 Too many "red flags" with this seller. His story doesn't jive and he treats potential customers like crap. +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 Something just doesn't look or sound right about this guitar. It's condition is just way too good to be a "70 year old" guitar. I am not saying that it isn't impossible but...I just smell "fake" for some reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 This instrument is loud and proud and will send banjos running for cover. The owner and I have had the chance to compare it to several other wonderful D28s including a one of a kind magical sounding 66 D-28, a really nice 58 D28 and a 44 D28. It was evident why 39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members irishstu Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 1939 Martin D28 ...a guitar that will be 80 years old next year. Erm.. is it my maths, or is something wrong here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slashfacepalm Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 I'm gonna have to let it get away. I don't have that kind of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Etienne Rambert Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 Objects selling for that kind of price generally come with a provenance stating who owned it and when. They also come with a recent formal appraisal of its value. It should be stored in some secure location. Guildfire: ""OK dude, let's meet in Nazareth and let those folks look it over". That's a good idea actually. A buyer could pay to have it evaluated at the factory. Or a buyer with that kind of money could fly with out with a CFM appraiser to have it inspected. I think it's a real D-28. I'm no expert. But the auction is kind of insane. And Sam's right. If it's had more than one owner, it's been circulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 I'm looking inside that guitar and it looks way too clean. By "clean" I don't just mean the lack of dust etc...the wood looks like it's brand new. The stamp on the neck block looks really fresh. The binding looks really white too. it might be the flash but I'd think it would be a little yellow. And to be honest I've never seen a nitro finished guitar that old without at least some finish checking. Nitro is an unstable compound. The fact that it hasn had much history circulating among dealers and collectors is also a red flag. Something's not right and I definitely wouldn't buy a guitar like that based on pictures. These guitars are mass produced factory items. By lacking unique features, they are a forger's dream. Still it would take some balls to try and pull off that kind of fraud. I'm wondering if that serial number holds any clues as to the history of this guitar. I mean look at that back seam center strip. That spruce is very white and it looks like it was shaped by a modern machine...definitely doesn't look yellowed, hand-shaped and a bit fuzzy from 70 years time. Time will do things to wood regardless whether it's being played or not. BTW the mahogany kerfing looks brand new too. Pale and sharp. Most mahogany I've seen that old is very dark, even unfinished. I will say this: the back and sides ARE Brazilian rosewood of the quality Martin used to use back then. Martin doesn 't have wood like that these days but a lot of private luthiers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members g6120 Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 I just checked that guitar. That's Insane!! Who pays that kind of money for an old guitar? I'm perfectly happy with my 1997 Martin HD28-VR which is a reproduction of this guitar except uses East Indian Rosewood.Other than that I was looking at the photos and grabbed my guitar and they look identical to me. Here's the details on my exact year and model: http://www.usd.edu/smm/PluckedStrings/Guitars/MartinGuitars/6096/6096MartinGuitar.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Queequeg Posted April 21, 2009 Members Share Posted April 21, 2009 I agree with guitarcapo. there should be some deep patina in this wood by now; irrespective of the condition.(so I changed my mind, I'm not going to buy it afterall.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldGuitarPlayer Posted April 22, 2009 Members Share Posted April 22, 2009 Well..the serial number (72672) does seem to correspond to that vintage of guitar... http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/martin-guitar-serial-numbers.htm.. but...I wonder if it's an authentic serial number?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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