Members Rada Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Which would you get and why? Which one of these is the all around better buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JonathanD Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 depends on the model numbers. Viper-1000? Viper-400? SG Standard? SG Special? What kind of music do you play? What amp are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rada Posted October 25, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 SG Standard vs. ESP Viper Standard Series Metal and Classic Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Edward Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 I would be inclined to favour the SG.... I love SGs, but those ESP SG types are just too "metal" for me. Admittedly, though, this is as much a "mojo" / visuals / feel / vibe as much as anything, so...... as ever, try 'em both and see what works for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JonathanD Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 as far as build quality, ESP standard Viper easily beats out SG. As far as tone, that depends on what you want. I'd go with EMG's, but an SG could do metal too, through the right amp. The Viper is thicker than an SG , so will sound closer to an LP than an actual SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rada Posted October 25, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Originally posted by Edward ...those ESP SG types are just too "metal" for me. I used to think that too, but they've grown on me a bit... along with the look I think the other reason I'm so hesitant about making a choice between the two is today's Gibson price/quality ratio w/ slight emphasis on PRICE! Even my step dad the gibson snob is hestiant when it comes to buying new gibsons. I've always wanted an SG, but for my birthday when I was younger my parents got me a strat! I'm not spoiled so of course I said thanks and started playing it....I love Hendrix, Clapton, Buddy Guy, and all those BUT I wanted to play like Toni Iommi-I wanted Sabbath- I wanted an SG! So now that I have the money this is a tough choice to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alchemist Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 the only thing these instruments really share is the relative shape, as far as the quality issue, more anti gibson qc myths, they are both good quality instruments. The SG will get you great clean tones as well as great rock and metal tones. The ESP really is more inclined towards metal. As far as price. Think of it this way, the gibson will cost 250$ more?.. but thats also an investment as its value will not go down like the ESP's. At least in my neck of the woods, a Gibson keeps about 85% of its value as soon as you buy it, whereas the ESP's are going for around 70%. Either way, its your choice. The smartest move would be to get a used standard and never look back:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cylon Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 /-----------asshat you dont buy a guitar for resale value get what you always wanted. you might have to go thru a ton of sg's with the junk gibson is turning out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rada Posted October 25, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 I agree about not buying a guitar for the resale price...I'm looking for a keeper I'm beginning to lean more towards the viper...has anybody put any Gibson pickups in a Viper, or any other pickups besides EMGs? How did it change the sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steve Matthews Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 If you're thinking about making a purchase, you might want to act now. Through 10/31 Music 123 is offering "Employee Discount Days" I have a $1,500 '61 RI SG on the way that they discounted an additional $100 => $1,400. I'd probably also recommend the Gibson line just for the "investment" value. I actually think the faded worn brown would be a good choice. I think those are sexy bitches. But they're good to try out to make sure that your pick feels good. I tried one where the grain was too open on the back of the neck. The other couple I've had in my hands felt fine. I also like that the faded series uses the lower output 490T in the bridge instead of the medium output 498T of the Standard. I have a 498T in an LP and I'm not at all crazy about it. But I leave it there since the guitar was a Custom Shop Edition and I fear changing it might bring me some bad karma. So for me the decision was faded worn brown for $650 or the '61 RI for $1,500. I wasn't that interested in the Specials or Standards in between (Except that black Standard does look fantastic. They're like a "piano lacquer black" black with a darker colored rw fb.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JonathanD Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 I know someone who threw angus young pups in a viper. Sounded ok. a little thicker than a regular SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steve Matthews Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Originally posted by Rada I agree about not buying a guitar for the resale price...I'm looking for a keeperI'm beginning to lean more towards the viper...has anybody put any Gibson pickups in a Viper, or any other pickups besides EMGs?How did it change the sound? I've got to jump in and defend Alchemist's statement (and my subsequest similar statement). When you buy a musical instrument it is an investment whether you look at it that way or not. And that has nothing to do with it being a "keeper" or not. Example. I own a 1983 Les Paul Studio Custom Shop Edition that I bought brand new 21 years ago for $800. That makes it a keeper. But it's also now worth at least 2X what I paid for it since all new Custom Shops cost at least $3,000 and it's a rare bird. So whether or not I pass it on to an heir or sell it off so I don't have to live off of oatmeal in my retirement, it will have been a good investment AND a keeper. Had I put the money into a Korean copy - -, nuff said. But sounds like the Viper is more your thing, but just don't think that resale value and "keeper" are exclusive concepts. They work together. And also you're starting to erode the price gap already by thinking of making the Viper a part Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members savoldi Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Originally posted by Rada I love Hendrix, Clapton, Buddy Guy, and all those BUT I wanted to play like Toni Iommi-I wanted Sabbath- I wanted an SG! So now that I have the money this is a tough choice to make! Tony didn't play a Viper. If you want the real thing, get the real thing. I never regretted getting an SG, and I'm a big Sabbath fan. I'm not putting the Vipers down, but they don't have the mojo that the Gibson has. You'll have to make your own mojo with the Viper. The SG already comes with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cylon Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 jake e lee playes a viper now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members georges Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Gibson any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TattooedCarrot Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Originally posted by Rada Gibson SG vs. ESP Viper I've owned a few of both I can tell you that while they are similar in appearance, that's where the similarities end. They are two very different guitars and IMO cannot even be compared; you know the old clich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NITEFLY182 Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 I reccomend the esp. I have an eclipse II from the standard series and its every bit as nice as my custom shop carpenter model. The fretwork and finish work are much nicer than the gibson sg standards and I would seriously consider the duncan option from esp because they tend to be more well accepted than the emgs. Its your choice but the arguments for the gibson seem to be all about money while the arguments for esp seem to be about quality and tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alchemist Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 sure nobody cares about investment values until youre flat broke and need some cash fast, tough time to realise all the stuff you own isnt worth {censored} as well the quality of the gibson is excellent, I have played just as many ESP/LTD that suffered from the so called anti gibson people mention.... but like mentioned earlier they arent even the same guitar except for the relative shape... just one week ago a forum member was comparing a les paul with an eclipse, claiming the "higher quality" of ESP as a selling point, he came back the next day with a gibson raving about how it was in another league completely;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tommy Tourbus Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Originally posted by cylon /-----------asshatyou dont buy a guitar for resale value get what you always wanted.you might have to go thru a ton of sg'swith the junk gibson is turning out ?? What kind of backwards statement is that?? I don't know about you, but most of have bought and sold many guitars including a few 'keepers'. Whichever you decide to buy, buy used. That way if you ever decide to sell you should get roughly what you paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bbreaker Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Get the ESP.SG's are too expensive:bor: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NITEFLY182 Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 Originally posted by Bbreaker Get the ESP.SG's are too expensive:bor: amen and meh... theyre both in the 1000-1500 range, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sandfly Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 SG's are sweet guitars . I own two ,a standard ,and a brown faded . Fret work and finish are fine . There is nothing wrong with either guitar . And I didn't have to check out 100's of SG's to find them either . I Bought both of them from internet stores . As far as "tone" goes what's to talk about ? Just listen to Tony Iommi and Angus Young's "tone" . Just to name a few guitar players that play them . If you buy the Viper your still going to end up buying the SG sooner or later . And when you buy it later it will be more expensive too . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cylon Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 get the viper and come up with your OWN sound instead of copying everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dughaze Posted October 25, 2005 Members Share Posted October 25, 2005 I need an SG w/ P90's....BAD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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