Members djchase7 Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Is it just a matter of looks or personal preferance? Is there a noticible differance in feel or tone? I considering these: http://www.rondomusic.net/al2000hsbf.html or http://www.rondomusic.net/al20003ts.html I just can't justify spending too much money on an LP copy so the AD-3000 line is out. I want a cheap beater that I can thrash on with no regrets. This will be my first Agile, and I'm stoked to see if it lives up to all the hype. I've played many LPs studios and standards but I just cant justify the price. I'd rather buy another amp and a cheaper guitar that plays/sounds just as nice as the real thing. am I crazy? or what? tell me what you think. Current guitars:Epi CasinoPeavey FalconDano re-issue Martin DC1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmy210 Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Neither of those have maple tops, only maple veneers which are 1/16th thick. If you look at the AL comparison chart it tells you which models have maple tops and which dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members animl Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by djchase7 Is it just a matter of looks or personal preferance? Is there a noticible differance in feel or tone? I considering these:http://www.rondomusic.net/al2000hsbf.html orhttp://www.rondomusic.net/al20003ts.html I just can't justify spending too much money on an LP copy so the AD-3000 line is out. I want a cheap beater that I can thrash on with no regrets. This will be my first Agile, and I'm stoked to see if it lives up to all the hype. I've played many LPs studios and standards but I just cant justify the price. I'd rather buy another amp and a cheaper guitar that plays/sounds just as nice as the real thing. am I crazy? or what? tell me what you think. Current guitars:Epi CasinoPeavey FalconDano re-issue Martin DC1 The top on the 2000 is 1/16", dso I don't think it will make much difference in tone. If you are staying within the 2000 line, I would go with the look you like. If you can swing it they have 2500s for $159. I have a DC blue flame - very nice guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members djchase7 Posted March 5, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by timmy210 Neither of those have maple tops, only maple veneers which are 1/16th thick. If you look at the AL comparison chart it tells you which models have maple tops and which dont. I thought I read that the tops were "real Maple" as far as I know veneer is plastic not wood. http://www.rondomusic.net/alspec.html so...what is it? That chart only specifes grade of maple and thickness. It says nothing about veneer. Do you know Agile AL-2000 have veneer tops for a fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members djchase7 Posted March 5, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by animl The top on the 2000 is 1/16", dso I don't think it will make much difference in tone. If you are staying within the 2000 line, I would go with the look you like. If you can swing it they have 2500s for $159. I have a DC blue flame - very nice guitar. dosen't seem like much of an improvment over the others (links above) only differance is the grade of top. http://www.rondomusic.net/al2500hc.html but it's soild anyways. what gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members markas214 Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by djchase7 I thought I read that the tops were "real Maple" as far as I know veneer is plastic not wood. http://www.rondomusic.net/alspec.html so...what is it? That chart only specifes grade of maple and thickness. It says nothing about veneer. Do you know Agile AL-2000 have veneer tops for a fact? Veneer- To overlay or plate with a thin layer of wood or other material for outer finish or decoration; as, to veneer a piece of furniture with mahogany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrfan Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by djchase7 I thought I read that the tops were "real Maple" as far as I know veneer is plastic not wood. http://www.rondomusic.net/alspec.html so...what is it? That chart only specifes grade of maple and thickness. It says nothing about veneer. Do you know Agile AL-2000 have veneer tops for a fact? 1/16 of an inch is a veneer.This is a common technique in building furniture.A real wood veneer is glued over a substrate(particle board or similar) to give the appearence of a finer wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HELSTRUME Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 I like dark sounding LPs, cause I use the Dimarzio EVOs. The two balance out great together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members djchase7 Posted March 5, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by markas214 Veneer- To overlay or plate with a thin layer of wood or other material for outer finish or decoration; as, to veneer a piece of furniture with mahogany. oh... Now I know what Veneer is! WoW! I go down to home depot and ask for some...hummm....will it be wood or plastic....hummm.....I'm not talking furniture. Veneer is plastic. Wood is wood. The act of "veneering" is what you have discribed. yes you can layer woods on top of each other and call that veneer, but what your really taling about is lamination. I don't care to further discus vocabularies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members catalinagooseV2 Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 My Agile was made of concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jrfan Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by djchase7 oh... Now I know what Veneer is! WoW! I go down to home depot and ask for some...hummm....will it be wood or plastic....hummm.....I'm not talking furniture. Veneer is plastic. Wood is wood. The act of "veneering" is what you have discribed. yes you can layer woods on top of each other and call that veneer, but what your really taling about is lamination. I don't care to further discus vocabularies. Don't go away mad just go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members markas214 Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by djchase7 oh... Now I know what Veneer is! WoW! I go down to home depot and ask for some...hummm....will it be wood or plastic....hummm.....I'm not talking furniture. Veneer is plastic. Wood is wood. The act of "veneering" is what you have discribed. yes you can layer woods on top of each other and call that veneer, but what your really taling about is lamination. I don't care to further discus vocabularies. I guess you're just too stupid to realize veneer is a layer whether it be wood, plastic or whatever. Veneer has to be applied to a surface, hence the definition which was posted as informative but you obviously believed to be an insult. Grow up junior. Oh. two s' in discuss. Discribed is actually described. Lamination? Well never mind as it's obviously over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brewski Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 solid mahogany will sound darker - mids, than a mohogany with a maple top. the veneer maple top btw - makes a lot of difference. Forget the tobacoo sunburst for $129.00 though, get the Cherry Flame maple top for $159.00!! It's gorgeous and plays/sounds unbelievable!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Glyder Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 They had a bunch of 3000's in the store today marked down to $199 out the door. I was just at Rondo today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members djchase7 Posted March 5, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by markas214 I guess you're just too stupid to realize veneer is a layer whether it be wood, plastic or whatever. Veneer has to be applied to a surface, hence the definition which was posted as informative but you obviously believed to be an insult. Grow up junior. Oh. two s' in discuss. Discribed is actually described. Lamination? Well never mind as it's obviously over your head. you don't have to be an ass. Call me jr. sure, I'm only 24. Well...I guess this is goodbye....I'm sad now. I'm gona cry.... obviously over my head..eh...must be too stupid to spell or to dumb to type. later dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blues_rocker Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 they dont sound or play like a gibson...my $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmy210 Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Just get whichever model looks good to you. I myself am going to get the black and gold model and maybe put some emgs in it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members strangedogs Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by blues_rocker they dont sound or play like a gibson...my $.02 no - and they don't cost 1/10th the price - I own an Agile (a fine guitar in my opinion) and didn't have to spend the family fortune for a damn guitar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jhall Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by jrfan 1/16 of an inch is a veneer.This is a common technique in building furniture.A real wood veneer is glued over a substrate(particle board or similar) to give the appearence of a finer wood. Veneering was also popular because you could get predictable behavior out of the finished product.It produces a much more stable table top oe whatever than solid woods do and they move less with changes in humidity.In guitar making, It adds a new level of tone manipulation and mabye not for the better according to many who are much more knowlwgable than I on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spadoctor Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 In woodworking ( and this includes guitars made of wood ) a veneer is the application of a thin layer of finish grade material to either an undesireable looking, manmade (plywood) or engineered ( particleboard...MDF...MDO ) substrate. Capping is the application of laminating 2 thick pieces together either of the same type or different types ( such as the 3000 3/4" maple "CAP"0. I doubt anyone can tell the difference in sound with a veneer finish vs non-veneer....however a cpped body will surely take on a different tone. Also some bodies use a laminated photo film of plastic to "simulate" a real expensive finish and bury it in a thick finish topcoat. And yes you can laminate with plastic such as melemine or with formica...a paper product. I have a 2800 and love it from a tone and construction point...just MHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members djchase7 Posted March 5, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by spadoctor In woodworking ( and this includes guitars made of wood ) a veneer is the application of a thin layer of finish grade material to either an undesireable looking, manmade (plywood) or engineered ( particleboard...MDF...MDO ) substrate. Capping is the application of laminating 2 thick pieces together either of the same type or different types ( such as the 3000 3/4" maple "CAP"0. I doubt anyone can tell the difference in sound with a veneer finish vs non-veneer....however a cpped body will surely take on a different tone. Also some bodies use a laminated photo film of plastic to "simulate" a real expensive finish and bury it in a thick finish topcoat. And yes you can laminate with plastic such as melemine or with formica...a paper product. I have a 2800 and love it from a tone and construction point...just MHO Finally someone who knows what they are talking about! Basically I just want a guitar made of wood without a plastic top (some call it a veneer others call it worthless {censored}) The maple "cap" is what I'm looking for. I guess I call Rohndo and ask for one of a 200$ AL-3000! I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members djchase7 Posted March 5, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by jrfan Don't go away mad just go away. I've been here longer then you...and didn't give a shit when they reduced my post count along with everyone else a while back. Dose it matter in life, how many post you've made? Why don't you go away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kevman Posted March 5, 2006 Members Share Posted March 5, 2006 The AL-2000 you want is a veneered top. It is wood.The Agiles with the "caps" are 3000m and 3500 models.ONLY. The rest are either all mahogany or mahogany with a maple veneer. In woodworking (guitar making) veneer is a term that is associated with thin wood that is applied over a body. A Laminate or Photo Flame is different only in what is being attached. Same thing only not an actual piece of wood. I doubt highly that you could tell the sound difference between a phot flame and a veneer but you would probably be able to tell a difference visualy from off angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keelbolts Posted March 6, 2006 Members Share Posted March 6, 2006 As I recall, Les Paul wanted all mahogany on some models to get a darker sound. The Maple veneer used by Agile on almost all but select models is a nice compromise if you want the look of maple, but the tone of mahogany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brewski Posted March 6, 2006 Members Share Posted March 6, 2006 Hey blues_rockerYour comment is totally wrong!! Gibsons aren't made nor do they play as well as the Agiles! Troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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