Members RockNote Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 This question has always puzzled me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members curseoftruth Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 Its pretty big everywhere. But in a very conservative and traditional society, its a way for kids (and adults) to get out their frustrations in a positive and non violent manner. They tend to like metal that is not as extreme as other places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trill Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 because their culture greatly values technical skillz. from iron chef to tea rituals, japanese culture is all about mechanical precision and excellence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted March 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 Let me be a little more specific, as specific as I can. I am thinking of a general trend - I have no clue what is the status on metal in Japan today. But bands that may have had a lukewarm reception in their European homelands are sometimes successful in Japan. Okay, that may apply beyond metal, but still... Perhaps the crux of the matter is this. To me, heavy metal is a very European type of music as it borrows from classical music. If rock is American rather than European, then heavy metal is a Europeanized version of rock. That's not true of all genres of metal, but Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden - they are all very European to me. Van Halen on the other hand is very American. What I am really curious about is how it sounds to Japanese people? Also, the bands I just mentioned (save for VH) are all English. Would anybody say that they sound specifically English to them? Morrissey sounds English to me, as does Bowie, but I don't hear these metal bands as being specifically English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted March 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 because their culture greatly values technical skillz. from iron chef to tea rituals, japanese culture is all about mechanical precision and excellence. That makes sense. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GAS Man Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 Or one might ask "Why are the Ventures so big in Japan?" Considered to be Japan's number one favorite American Rock group. But I'd only ask that question to point out that there's plenty of appetite for genres outside of metal over there. Cuz I know why they'd like the Ventures. But basically Japan took to "Western Music" right after WWII. I was born there in '57 when my dad was in the Air Force. I remember my folks talk about listen to covers of "I'm gonna lock lock lock, round the crock". So Bill Hailey was popular too. So there's not much "good" going on in countries outside of Japan that the Japanese don't soak up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trill Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 They tend to like metal that is not as extreme as other places. horseapples! japanese metal might not hold up to scandinavian bands that kill each other and eat each other's brains, but BORIS is heavier than 99% of american metal bands. noise music is also pretty popular in japan; they're into some intense stuff as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trill Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 Or one might ask "Why are the Ventures so big in Japan?" Considered to be Japan's number one favorite American Rock group.But I'd only ask that question to point out that there's plenty of appetite for genres outside of metal over there. Cuz I know why they'd like the Ventures.But basically Japan took to "Western Music" right after WWII.I was born there in '57 when my dad was in the Air Force. I remember my folks talk about listen to covers of "I'm gonna lock lock lock, round the crock". So Bill Hailey was popular too.So there's not much "good" going on in countries outside of Japan that the Japanese don't soak up. what i really like is the japanese band Blues Creation, which was basically like blue cheer + bluesbreakers - ability to speak english. their instrumentation is {censored}ing awesome, but seriously, "all the rovingest roving"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members angus_old Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 it's shallow and imitative like much japanese culture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buckethead2 Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 because asians are super smart and they have realised that metal is the supreme form of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VertigoSwirl Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 what i really like is the japanese band Blues Creation, which was basically like blue cheer + bluesbreakers - ability to speak english. their instrumentation is {censored}ing awesome, but seriously, "all the rovingest roving"? I love that group! I have "Demon & Eleven Children", they sound just like a Japanese Black Sabbath. How are their other albums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluefoot Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 the pointy guitars seem to fit their vision better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trill Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 I love that group! I have "Demon & Eleven Children", they sound just like a Japanese Black Sabbath. How are their other albums? their other albums under that name are their self-titled first album, "carmen maki/blues creation" (which is just blues creation with female pop musician carmen maki on vocals), and a live album from '71. after that, they changed their name to creation, cut another self-titled album, and toured with mountain. band leader kazuo takeda did some other stuff with mountain bass player felix pappalardi, too. the only other album of their's that i've heard is the first self-titled one, and it's a lot more straight british blues than "demon" is. if you want, i think i've got it on my pc at home, and i can upload it later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members curseoftruth Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 Let me be a little more specific, as specific as I can. I am thinking of a general trend - I have no clue what is the status on metal in Japan today. But bands that may have had a lukewarm reception in their European homelands are sometimes successful in Japan. Okay, that may apply beyond metal, but still... Perhaps the crux of the matter is this. To me, heavy metal is a very European type of music as it borrows from classical music. If rock is American rather than European, then heavy metal is a Europeanized version of rock. That's not true of all genres of metal, but Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden - they are all very European to me. Van Halen on the other hand is very American. What I am really curious about is how it sounds to Japanese people? Also, the bands I just mentioned (save for VH) are all English. Would anybody say that they sound specifically English to them? Morrissey sounds English to me, as does Bowie, but I don't hear these metal bands as being specifically English. Sorry, I disagree with your view on metal -- pretty much 100%. You are looking at it from a very genre specific point of view, mainly a black metal/power metal perspective which is very symphonic in nature. Metal first and foremost is blues based. It rew out of the blues, hands down. It's also not totally a European type of music as you state. Sure, many of the greats are from Europe (Sabbath, Maiden, Priest), but other greats are US based (Van Halen, Metallica, Tool). You see European because you are isolated in Denmark and don't have the global perspective of metal -- it is truely a global form of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FUBTAG Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 But bands that may have had a lukewarm reception in their European homelands are sometimes successful in Japan. You mean like Spinal Tap?!?!?!?!?1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted March 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 You mean like Spinal Tap?!?!?!?!?1 It's the 2nd time I get that reference within a couple of weeks - I really need to see that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nephilim-777 Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 other greats are US based (Van Halen, Metallica, Tool). TOol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted March 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 Sorry, I disagree with your view on metal -- pretty much 100%. You are looking at it from a very genre specific point of view, mainly a black metal/power metal perspective which is very symphonic in nature. Metal first and foremost is blues based. It rew out of the blues, hands down. It's also not totally a European type of music as you state. Sure, many of the greats are from Europe (Sabbath, Maiden, Priest), but other greats are US based (Van Halen, Metallica, Tool). You see European because you are isolated in Denmark and don't have the global perspective of metal -- it is truely a global form of music. I am not quite sure what to tell you, as for me it is not a question of dis/agreeing unless you take these terms to mean sharing or not sharing. There is one thing I need to clear up however. I never said that heavy metal was "totally a Europpean type of music." I am merely taking about degrees. That rock, being American at the outset, is "Europeanized" in bands that borrow from classical music by expanding the range of scales used. That's how it sounds to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nephilim-777 Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 Power metal is more European IMO. Bands like Iced Earth, even though they are Americans their market is clearly in Europe. Goth-Metal is also very European. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CGord Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 Being a good guitar player didn't go out of vogue over there like it did here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CGord Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 dp, screw you, {censored}ty servers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FUBTAG Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 It's the 2nd time I get that reference within a couple of weeks - I really need to see that movie. HOLY CRAP?!?!?!? You play guitar (or possibly in a band..) and never have seen this movie???.... you now have homework this weekend young man or woman (as I don't know I don't want to offend ya! ) Go get it and watch it -- and then watch it again.... and then again. It moves fast -- you may miss alot the first time... but then see it again.. and you're laughing harder than the first time and so on and so forth..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted March 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 HOLY CRAP?!?!?!? You play guitar (or possibly in a band..) and never have seen this movie???.... you now have homework this weekend young man or woman (as I don't know I don't want to offend ya! ) Go get it and watch it -- and then watch it again.... and then again. It moves fast -- you may miss alot the first time... but then see it again.. and you're laughing harder than the first time and so on and so forth..... Yeah, okay. I watched Existenz the other night - best movie in a very long time, and I don't even play computer games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members micahsdad Posted March 30, 2007 Members Share Posted March 30, 2007 I have heard that my penis is very big in Japan as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CGord Posted March 31, 2007 Members Share Posted March 31, 2007 Things are easy when you're big in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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