Members sfx70 Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Hey guysJust curious how can u tell if an LP is chambered or weight relieved?Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 's mel gibson Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 It doesn't seem heavy! The normal unrelieved one's are real boat anchors that if you've ever tried one you'll know what I mean. My Lucille seems as heavy as my 78 LP Standard but I can still handle it. If you've got a bad back, you will notice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sfx70 Posted November 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 that's a rather subjective. is there a way to tell if you take the electronics cavity off or serial #? any other means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 If it's a production-line Les Paul Standard, Classic or Deluxe made from the late '80's on, it's weight relieved; if it is a 2007 model, it's chambered. I'm not sure about Studios, its only been relatively recently that they even had the same size bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ID_Ghost Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Do research on the Guitar your interested in.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sfx70 Posted November 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Well when you buy it online you can only do so much research... So 2007 is the year they start making chambered eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Well when you buy it online you can only do so much research... So 2007 is the year they start making chambered eh? Yeah, they made the switch from weight relief holes to chambered with this model year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hondro Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 well if you cant tell by the sound than it doesnt really matter, right? If they sound like the old ones AND are lighter, it seems like a win-win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members samuraiBSD Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 well if you cant tell by the sound than it doesnt really matter, right? If they sound like the old ones AND are lighter, it seems like a win-win well some of us happen to like weighty guitars...I prefer a big slice of wood to a piece of swiss cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ID_Ghost Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 well some of us happen to like weighty guitars...I prefer a big slice of wood to a piece of swiss cheese +100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 well if you cant tell by the sound than it doesnt really matter, right? If they sound like the old ones AND are lighter, it seems like a win-win Yes. Absolutely. When it comes to buying guitars, all that matters is that you like its sound and how it feels. That is the golden rule. But the reason they weight-relieve the models is so they can use a cheaper grade of wood. I prefer the Historics with a nice light, resonant piece of wood that doesn't need the relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members relva3 Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 i prefer mid-weight and light guitars. the 'boat anchor' pauls are fine for me as well, i had one and the only time it bothered me was after a long day of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ancient Mariner Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 well some of us happen to like weighty guitars...I prefer a big slice of wood to a piece of swiss cheese Which means you need one from the early 80s or before when they didn't use the weight relief holes. I haven't played any 2007 LPs but I have played an earlier version of a chambered LP and it was the best playing 'Paul I every handled. I think you need to let your fingers and ears make the decisions on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sfx70 Posted November 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 I see, thanks for the answers... let me ask u another one: how can u tell a Standard Plus from a Standard Premium Plus?Is it that the Premium Plus only comes with 50s necks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mnhhngbfs Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 The Premium Plus has an extra word in it's name, therefore it's a far better guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Monkeyman Joe Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 If it's a production-line Les Paul Standard, Classic or Deluxe made from the late '80's on, it's weight relieved; if it is a 2007 model, it's chambered.I'm not sure about Studios, its only been relatively recently that they even had the same size bodies. i'm pretty sure my studio is. it sounds kinda hollow and is not nearly as heavy as an 80's standard i played once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 's mel gibson Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Hmmmm, LP Standard Plus.http://www.gibson.com/products/gibson/LesPaul/lpsplus.htmlA truly refined guitar, the Les Paul Standard Plus fills the void between the Les Paul Standard and the Les Paul Custom. The guitar boasts a great lineup of features, including a carved AA maple bound top, Alnico humbuckers and three great sunburst finishes. BodyCarved AA maple top, Mahogany backNeck/ProfileMahogany/RoundedFingerboard/InlayRosewood 22 frets/Pearloid trapezoidScale/Nut Width243/4"/111/16BindingSingle-ply top and fingerboardBridge/TailpieceTune-o-matic/StopbarHardwareChromePickups490R Alnico magnet humbucker498T Alnico magnet humbuckerControlsTwo volume, two tone, three-way switchStringsBrite Wires .010-.046 Standard Premium Plus http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/gibson/les_paul_standard_premium_plus/index.html Les Paul Standard Premium Plus The pinnacle of Les Paul beauty and performance, the Standard Premium Plus features the new, high performance Burstbucker Pro pickups with Alnico V magnets and a carved AAA maple top that just shimmers. Features: Body.Top Species: Carved AAA flamed mapleBack Species: Mahogany w/cherry finish (brown on Desert Burst)Binding: Single-ply top. Neck.Species: MahoganyProfile: '50's RoundedPeghead Pitch: 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigconig Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 I see, thanks for the answers... let me ask u another one: how can u tell a Standard Plus from a Standard Premium Plus?Is it that the Premium Plus only comes with 50s necks? Standard plus has a 2a top and premium plus is 3a. Inside the nec k pickup route a premium plus will be marked LPPP, a plus LPP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted November 25, 2007 Moderators Share Posted November 25, 2007 I prefer the Historics with a nice light, resonant piece of wood that doesn't need the relief. Historic? Light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Historic? Light? A good Historic should top out around 9 lbs., but can be found for less (as well as more, but lighter ones seem more desirable on the resale market). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted November 25, 2007 Moderators Share Posted November 25, 2007 A good Historic should top out around 9 lbs. Says who? is this documented? What is the spread of weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigconig Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 Depends on the models. Most R0s and R9s are under 9 lbs. R8s and Gold Tops are under 10 and Customs are 10+ From the Gibson Custom shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Runn3r Posted November 25, 2007 Members Share Posted November 25, 2007 X Ray machine hopefully soon .. a portable x ray machine will be available or some sort of x ray glasses it appears from the 'list' from the supposed 'custom shop' that the 'mahogany' is sorted by weight first then distributed by weight...lightest goes to the premium historic line and the heaviest to 'B' stock i presume which would be the chambered models?! i doubt if Gibson puts out any guitar that is over 10.6 pounds...thus i conclude this 'B' stock must mean the chambered models where the weight will be reduced if ANYONE thinks this process is part of some tone-shaping technology ...think AGAIN i got many guitars that sound like my LP but i would NEVER say they are EQUAL to my LP or that rather than buy me an LP i should get one of those other guitars ppl buy LPs to capture the classic sounds from yesteryear...WHEN LPs were ALL SOLID BODIES to get something approximating it and then saying it is the same is not KOSHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted November 26, 2007 Members Share Posted November 26, 2007 If you want a Les Paul that isn't weight relieved or chambered, buy an Agile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bigconig Posted November 26, 2007 Members Share Posted November 26, 2007 X Ray machine hopefully soon .. a portable x ray machine will be available or some sort of x ray glasses it appears from the 'list' from the supposed 'custom shop' that the 'mahogany' is sorted by weight first then distributed by weight...lightest goes to the premium historic line and the heaviest to 'B' stock i presume which would be the chambered models?! i doubt if Gibson puts out any guitar that is over 10.6 pounds...thus i conclude this 'B' stock must mean the chambered models where the weight will be reduced if ANYONE thinks this process is part of some tone-shaping technology ...think AGAIN i got many guitars that sound like my LP but i would NEVER say they are EQUAL to my LP or that rather than buy me an LP i should get one of those other guitars ppl buy LPs to capture the classic sounds from yesteryear...WHEN LPs were ALL SOLID BODIES to get something approximating it and then saying it is the same is not KOSHER B is for Black Beauty. They are and always have been extremely heavy. People who want a guitar built like the originals can get a historic. Assuming all people buy LPs because they want something exactly like the original bursts is silly. Gibson's modern LPs have evolved over the years with hundreds of variations. If Gibson makes one you like then cool. If not get something else. There were less than 1600 original bursts made from 58-60. This made being extremely choosy with woods far easier. There is no way, with the sheer volume that Gibson produces, that they could use super light mahogany on all of their LPs. So the good stuff is reserved for the high end models. That means they have the option of producing 12+ lb monsters like they did in the 70s or using some sort of weight relief. The market will decide if they made the right choice or not but I would imagine that they will sell far more of the new 7-8 lb chambered versions than they ever dreamed of during the Norlin years. I've owned all but the originals and I've played one of those frequently. Sure the Historics are the best (as the price indicates), but IMO the new chambered 07s are a close second, better than the swiss cheese ones from the 80s, 90s through 06 (and I loved a bunch of those) and way better than any Norlin I've had. It's simple really, if you are after a LP type guitar, try one- you might be surprised. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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