Members Philmorris Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 I am in the market for new guitar and this two kinda jumped into my way. IS there huge diference beetwen this 2 guitars or it is more just fancy finish on standard?Are those two the real deal? Or are more like LTD guitars? Don't get me wrong....i don't know anything abut gibsons, so i have n00b question to some. They are kinda cheap if i look on the price, even LTD are more expencive. It just cross my mind how can Gibson be cheaper tnat LTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NotDead Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Save up and get a '61 reissue. Used.It's a whole different league. The '61 feels like a guitar should. Fadeds are "nice for the price" but you can tell where they cut corners. And while a standard is better, I'd still go for the '61 based on pickups, binding, pickguard, finish, and pure quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NOS68 Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Biggest difference is the Faded has a 490 in the bridge position where the Standard has the hotter 498 pup. Other than that its pretty much cosmetics. The 61' has 57's and a thinner neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NotDead Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Deeper bevelling, the original pickguard, lightweight aluminium tailpiece, bound fingerboard, light but glossy finish, historically correct neck profile, and a better overall build quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Philmorris Posted November 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 What about sound and sustain? Do they have very similar sound and sustan? Cause that is pretty much what i want from this guitar. I don't really care for finish, it will be my recording guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NotDead Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 The faded will be 3-5 pieces, the standard 2-3, the '61 is likely to be even only 1 piece, and bookmatched. The lightweight tailpiece, longer neck tennon on the '61 may add sustain, but the thicker necks on the others may add sustain as well.As for the tone, 490R/490T set(faded) sounds like they forgot to make a bridge pickup(IMO), the 490R/498T doesn't have the same problem, the 498 can be a little on the hot side, and the wire gibson used on these makes signal less clear on cleans and dirty, whereas the '57 classic/classic+ on the '61 is pretty close to the original PAFs put in the original SGs, retaining clarity, with medium vintage output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Philmorris Posted November 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 But is SG faded stil the real Gibson guitar? Thanks for replay to all of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NOS68 Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 If I where in your shoes I'd go with the faded then, basicly the same sustain (maybe a tad more due to the finish) and the sound differences are in the pups. Some don't like the 490 other love it, but with the money saved you could pop anything in there you'd like. Some say with the thinner neck on the 61 you lose some sustain. Though I've got a Menace with the same thin neck and hit kicks all kinds of ass, she's loaded with a set of Iommi's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Philmorris Posted November 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 How is Sg compared to 76 reissue explorer? Is explorer better in sustain department? Which one is better for metal/rock?http://www.thomann.de/gb/gibson_explorer_76.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NOS68 Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 The faded will be 3-5 pieces, the standard 2-3, the '61 is likely to be even only 1 piece, and bookmatched. The lightweight tailpiece, longer neck tennon on the '61 may add sustain, but the thicker necks on the others may add sustain as well.As for the tone, 490R/490T set(faded) sounds like they forgot to make a bridge pickup(IMO), the 490R/498T doesn't have the same problem, the 498 can be a little on the hot side, and the wire gibson used on these makes signal less clear on cleans and dirty, whereas the '57 classic/classic+ on the '61 is pretty close to the original PAFs put in the original SGs, retaining clarity, with medium vintage output. That's funny my faded's a 2 piece. Ian you really need to put that disclaimer back in your sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NOS68 Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 How is Sg compared to 76 reissue explorer? Is explorer better in sustain department? Which one is better for metal/rock? The Explores loaded with the hotter ceramic 500/496 pups, definitely leans to the metal side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Philmorris Posted November 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 The Explores loaded with the hotter ceramic 500/496 pups, definitely leans to the metal side.And it would have more sustain than SG or Les paul studio?Once more, thanks for replay to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NotDead Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 And it would have more sustain than SG or Les paul studio? Once more, thanks for replay to all I'm not sure. Haven't picked up an explorer yet.Wood varies, I'm talking about ranges here. The '61 reissue is a higher end model, so it would stand to reason that the construction would be top notch. Is this such a ludicrous assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members larry50 Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 The Explorer has a much thicker body than the SG, so it would seem to have naturally more sustain, particularly with the hotter pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NOS68 Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 The Explorer has a much thicker body than the SG, so it would seem to have naturally more sustain, particularly with the hotter pickups. That be my take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members _Idioteque_ Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 thought I'd say this while on SG styled guitar topic: every SG styled guitar I've ever played is horribly off balance. Even my LTD Viper 1000(SD Custom 5/Jazz version. Can't stand EMGs). anyone know of a relatively affordable exception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hondro Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 I dont get where people come off saying that Gibson's quality is different throughout the line All of their SGs are the same exact body (cept for the PU routs in the Classic and the number of pieces for the body)the hardware is identical on all of themthe finish is identical on all of them (save for the faded which is satin)the attention to detail is the same, they don't put less into the fadeds then they do on the standards they're the same guitar just at different price points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GarysBlues Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 SG Standards just feel and sound much better than the fadeds. They are IMO what a SG is. Large FAT 59 necks and very light overall weight. Extended neck joint. Very nice playing and Feeling Gibson on the most part, just beware of them being neck heavy and pick one thats NOT. Then there's the obvious also, Neck-Binding, Inlays, Nitro Finish and 498 in the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aclarke Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 The faded will be 3-5 pieces, the standard 2-3, the '61 is likely to be even only 1 piece, and bookmatched. The lightweight tailpiece, longer neck tennon on the '61 may add sustain, but the thicker necks on the others may add sustain as well. 1) a 1 piece body, by definition, cannot be bookmatched. That would make it a 2 piece body. 2) The '61 has a short tenon. It's (in)famous for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BootRoots Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Gibson's faded finish has got to be the most unattractive looking thing one could do to a guitar short of the complete relic thing. just terrible. I can't stand the look of those finishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GarysBlues Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 They do make GREAT piece's to Re-Finish though, you just have to pick a Faded that has a 3-piece body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GarysBlues Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 1) a 1 piece body, by definition, cannot be bookmatched. That would make it a 2 piece body. 2) The '61 has a short tenon. It's (in)famous for it. Also many confuse a 2-piece center seamed body with a Bookmatched Top. Not that this has anything to do with SGs. But a Book-Matched Top is a Piece of wood that is split in the middle and opened like a book, then those two pieces are seamed together. Its usally reserved for Quilt and FMTs. So when the two pieces are placed together the Grain Patters match up perfectly on both sides. One side becomes a mirror image of the other. 2-piece bodys like my SRV are two similair GRAINED piece's matched together. Though the piece's may look VERY similiar and could very well be from a similiar piece of wood, they could also be two totally different pieces of wood that just happen to have similiar Grain patterns and color? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marc G Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 I say play both... see if the extra $$$ is worth it.... sometimes you just find a diamond in the rough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crunchtime Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 One thing to note about the 61 is that it has the low profile frets. Thats great if you like small frets but, I think most people nowadays prefer a bit larger frets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Burningleaves Posted November 28, 2008 Members Share Posted November 28, 2008 Can't go wrong really with any of the Gibson models mentioned. If you can afford it then get the SG standard. It's cool looking and has a sturdier neck joint compared to the 61' RI. The Explorer-76 is cool ( I own one) but you can def' get "jammed-up" around the 19th-22nd frets because the cutaway is not very wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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