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  • Anybody See This On Pawn Stars Last Night?........

    The nephew of Les Paul and Mary Ford came in with Mary Ford's white 1961 Gibson SG Les Paul Custom guitar. He also had a few photographs and quite a few type written contract letters that were signed by Les Paul. Apparently Les Paul and Gibson Corp. didn't exactly see eye-to-eye on a lot of their business dealings. They brought two outside parties in to verify that everything was legit. One to verify the paperwork and one to verify the guitar. The final offer, that the guy accepted, was $90,000 for everything. He originally had asked for $250,000 for everything!

    Personally, I think he could've done a little better if he could've gotten the whole lot to the right auction house on the right day. Mary Ford's Gibson SG looked like it was in immaculate condition.
    <div class="signaturecontainer"><font size="1"><br><br>Three Dreads......2 Martins and 1 Yamaha<br><br>A fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox &quot;Big Ben&quot; wind-up alarm clock that still works! Oh, BTW, I forgot to mention my ocarina and maracas.</font></div>

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    I saw that a while back.Les really didn't like that git much either as I recall.

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    • #3
      I saw that a while back.Les really didn't like that git much either as I recall.


      Yeah.......you're right. I'd forgotten about that part. I kinda got the impression he wasn't even all that crazy about the "Les Paul" model he created! I guess, at one time, he even considered discontinuing his relationship with Gibson entirely and going with a different guitar builder. That kind of move could've changed guitar history!
      <div class="signaturecontainer"><font size="1"><br><br>Three Dreads......2 Martins and 1 Yamaha<br><br>A fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox &quot;Big Ben&quot; wind-up alarm clock that still works! Oh, BTW, I forgot to mention my ocarina and maracas.</font></div>

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      • #4
        Didn't see the episode, but IMHO taking a possession of that kind of history and value to a pawn shop is an act of lunacy. I would first have tried an auction house like Christie's or Sotheby's. Set an acceptable reserve, pay 10% to the house.
        <div class="signaturecontainer">I guess I kinda lost control, because in the middle of the play I ran up and lit the evil puppet villain on fire. No, I didn't. Just kidding. I just said that to help illustrate one of the human emotions, which is freaking out. Another emotion is greed, as when you kill someone for money, or something like that. Another emotion is generosity, as when you pay someone double what he paid for his stupid puppet.<br><br><br><br><br><br>I.K.F.C.<br><br>E.S .C.<br><br>Potato Society<br><br>SAWG</div>

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        • #5
          Didn't see the episode, but IMHO taking a possession of that kind of history and value to a pawn shop is an act of lunacy. I would first have tried an auction house like Christie's or Sotheby's. Set an acceptable reserve, pay 10% to the house.


          Yep! :thu: My thoughts exactly. The guy could've probably doubled his money at the right auction house. Back before the "Craig's List" days, I took a cheap Hondo banjo to a local pawn shop and got $40 for it. That's the best they'd do on it. I told myself, before I went there, that I was going to sell it no matter what they offered me. I know, if it happended today, I could get twice that amount for it. I also let an old '50s Kent baritone uke go for $5 years ago. I'm still kicking my dumb ass for that one!
          <div class="signaturecontainer"><font size="1"><br><br>Three Dreads......2 Martins and 1 Yamaha<br><br>A fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox &quot;Big Ben&quot; wind-up alarm clock that still works! Oh, BTW, I forgot to mention my ocarina and maracas.</font></div>

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          • #6
            Yep! :thu: My thoughts exactly. The guy could've probably doubled his money at the right auction house. Back before the "Craig's List" days, I took a cheap Hondo banjo to a local pawn shop and got $40 for it. That's the best they'd do on it. I told myself, before I went there, that I was going to sell it no matter what they offered me. I know, if it happended today, I could get twice that amount for it. I also let an old '50s Kent baritone uke go for $5 years ago. I'm still kicking my dumb ass for that one!


            Pawn shops really depress me, which is why I cannot watch that show. I've been there, done that - been desperate and taken a complete bath at the pawn shop. Damn, those are sad, ****************ty memories. It's not that people are dumb; I doubt there are many people who pawn anything and think they're getting a good deal. The house always wins.
            <div class="signaturecontainer">I guess I kinda lost control, because in the middle of the play I ran up and lit the evil puppet villain on fire. No, I didn't. Just kidding. I just said that to help illustrate one of the human emotions, which is freaking out. Another emotion is greed, as when you kill someone for money, or something like that. Another emotion is generosity, as when you pay someone double what he paid for his stupid puppet.<br><br><br><br><br><br>I.K.F.C.<br><br>E.S .C.<br><br>Potato Society<br><br>SAWG</div>

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            • #7
              Pawn shops really depress me, which is why I cannot watch that show. I've been there, done that - been desperate and taken a complete bath at the pawn shop. Damn, those are sad, ****************ty memories. It's not that people are dumb; I doubt there are many people who pawn anything and think they're getting a good deal. The house always wins.


              +1 here. Also depressing is those Storage Wars shows where rapacious speculators bid up abandoned storage lockers. Never stated is that for somebody to abandon a locker with valuable stuff in it they are either broke, sick, jailed or dead. Great joy seeing folks heirlooms or the remains of a family home carted off by strangers.
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              • #8
                Pawn shops really depress me, which is why I cannot watch that show. I've been there, done that - been desperate and taken a complete bath at the pawn shop. Damn, those are sad, ****************ty memories. It's not that people are dumb; I doubt there are many people who pawn anything and think they're getting a good deal. The house always wins.


                +1 here. Also depressing is that Storage Wars show where rapacious speculators bid up abandoned storage lockers. Never stated is that for somebody to abandon a locker with valuable stuff in it they are either broke, sick, jailed or dead. Great joy seeing folks heirlooms or the remains of a family home carted off by strangers.
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                • #9
                  Apparently Les Paul and Gibson Corp. didn't exactly see eye-to-eye on a lot of their business dealings.


                  It's well documented that Les hated the wrap-under bridge on the first couple of years of the Les Paul because it made palm muting much more difficult, and he almost split from the company when they went to the SG body shape. That's the irony of it all. He hated that guitar and neither of them probably played it often. Mary generally used the same kind of guitar he did.

                  Mary Ford's Gibson SG looked like it was in immaculate condition.


                  There was a 2" chunk of the body ripped out around the output jack that was glued back in and not refinished.

                  Plus their 'expert' kept calling it an input jack. I've seen that guy do some hack-ass stuff. Including putting steel strings on a banjo ukulele.

                  After it aired the first time a year or more ago it came out that the guy who sold it has had a lot of drug problems and trouble with the law.

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                  • #10
                    +1 here. Also depressing is that Storage Wars show where rapacious speculators bid up abandoned storage lockers. Never stated is that for somebody to abandon a locker with valuable stuff in it they are either broke, sick, jailed or dead. Great joy seeing folks heirlooms or the remains of a family home carted off by strangers.


                    Rapacious is right. I've watched one or two episodes of that show, and one of the things that amazes me - aside from the whole notion of making a living off the misfortune of others - is the practice of deliberately bidding up the auction prices on lots not actually desired, just to hose other bidders. What possible benefit could there be? Seems like pure spite, which I guess is in line with the sort of attitude that would be attracted to an enterprise like this in the first place. Shows like this jack my blood pressure dangerously.
                    <div class="signaturecontainer">I guess I kinda lost control, because in the middle of the play I ran up and lit the evil puppet villain on fire. No, I didn't. Just kidding. I just said that to help illustrate one of the human emotions, which is freaking out. Another emotion is greed, as when you kill someone for money, or something like that. Another emotion is generosity, as when you pay someone double what he paid for his stupid puppet.<br><br><br><br><br><br>I.K.F.C.<br><br>E.S .C.<br><br>Potato Society<br><br>SAWG</div>

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                    • #11
                      I don't think half of that stuff is legit - how can a pawn shop get all that interesting stuff and cram it into episode after episode .
                      Your probably looking at staged purchases . Mary ford was a legend , that instrument would of easily brought more than twice that .
                      If this was legit , the guy who sold it was a moron.

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                      • #12
                        the practice of deliberately bidding up the auction prices on lots not actually desired, just to hose other bidders. What possible benefit could there be?


                        I know a couple of people who, until recently, made part of their living doing the storage auction thing. They want to kill everyone associated with those shows. Since they became popular attendance at auctions has gone up by 400% and the prices have gone up 300%. It's all noobs with no idea what they're doing bidding each other up far more than the contents justify. According to them it is impossible to make any money at it anymore.

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                        • #13
                          I don't take the Pawn Stars too seriously. It's a TV show made for entertainment purposes. Wouldn't be surprised if the "negotiated" prices are set in advance.
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                          • #14
                            I don't think half of that stuff is legit - how can a pawn shop get all that interesting stuff and cram it into episode after episode .
                            Your probably looking at staged purchases . Mary ford was a legend , that instrument would of easily brought more than twice that .
                            If this was legit , the guy who sold it was a moron.


                            I definitely agree. That instrument should have been sold at auction at a place like Christie's Auction House in New York. It would have brought double as you say. Also, I noted in that episode that they pay with cash. Holy cow! They guy walks out with $90K in cash! Good luck putting that in the bank without getting an IRS audit. Anything more than $10K and a report is sent in to the government for analysis of the transaction.

                            I don't usualy like anything to do with pawn shops because of the misery they often deal in. The show is fun to watch, however because of the odd items they see. I do believe that much of it is staged, like when Chumlee paid $1,500 for an inexpensive Asian mandolin allegedly thinking that it was a real Gibson. I doubt that would happen.

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                            • #15
                              I definitely agree. That instrument should have been sold at auction at a place like Christie's Auction House in New York. I do believe that much of it is staged, like when Chumlee paid $1,500 for an inexpensive Asian mandolin allegedly thinking that it was a real Gibson. I doubt that would happen.


                              I agree with all of this, especially the part about Chumlee paying $1500 for a fake Gibson mando. Why.....all you have to do is just LOOK at Chumlee to plainly see he's a friggin-ass genius!!
                              <div class="signaturecontainer"><font size="1"><br><br>Three Dreads......2 Martins and 1 Yamaha<br><br>A fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox &quot;Big Ben&quot; wind-up alarm clock that still works! Oh, BTW, I forgot to mention my ocarina and maracas.</font></div>

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