Members hazard29 Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 Hello, Hoping for some advice here. I am looking for a way to preserve a signature on a Jackson korina body king v - It was signed with a black sharpie marker and I will be playing the guitar so hanging it up is not an option. Is there something I can put over the signature? Can I spray it with a clear automative lacquer type spray? Any help would be great - thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 I think your only option is to put something over it, but I'm not sure what. Any solvent or alcohol based finish could possibly make the ink run, and whatever you do use, also has to be compatible with the guitars finish. What's the guitar finished with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PsychWarfare Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 You'd probably want to spray with a cover coat that matches whatever is currently on there...be it poly or nitro... But it has to be the same type of finish... For consistency...you may want to tape off the sides and just clear the whole back...do a few coats and carefully sand/polish to bring it up to a shine that matches the rest of the guitar... Just be careful not to sand too aggressively or buh bye sig... There is a chance actual lacquer might thing that ink... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hazard29 Posted August 10, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 the guitar finish is a poly and I definitely don't want to screw it up. I was thinking about finding like a adhesive plastic film or laminating paper or something like that to be safe. Ughhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PsychWarfare Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 anything adhesive will likely take some or all of the sig with it when removed or accidentally shifted etc... if it's poly...you should be fine to just spray over it... i've sprayed poly over regular ink before with no ill effects...i would imagine sharpie is more impervious... good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 Think you got enough Jacksons there? lol How about a pic of that Jackson Explorer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 i've sprayed poly over regular ink before with no ill effects...i would imagine sharpie is more impervious...good luck I don't know about that. Sharpie is pretty easy to get off of smooth surfaces with a little bit of solvent. I'd make up a test piece first. Put some poly on a scrap piece, scribble on it with a sharpie, and try whatever finish I planned to use. Pay close attention to the edges of the ink to see if they soften, run, or streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sk8centilli Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 What about a screen protector? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CoqBelliqueux Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 I wish I'd known about this about 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riggins Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 What about a screen protector? exactly what I would recommend. The material is called static cling film. you may be able to find it in a crafts or art supplies store. Probably far less as expensive than it would be for the measly little piece you'd get for an iPhone and you'd get more of it so you could replace it when it gets worn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members naz420 Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 I'd poly it. like mr brown said do a test piece first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members naz420 Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 Think you got enough Jacksons there? lolHow about a pic of that Jackson Explorer? +1 lets see that explorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riggins Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 I'd poly it. like mr brown said do a test piece first My friend Kevin did this after John Entwistle signed the back of his bass and it held well, except it yellowed a lot over the years. On your axe you may not mind, but his was pearl white. Now it's a sort of faded yellow color. He has no regrets doing it. He had John Buscarino do it back in the day when he had a shop locally, and John even told him it would yellow badly but he wanted that sig to stay put. here it is, The autograph is huge on the back, but you can see how yellow it is now: couldn't find a pic of the autograph unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 ^ For the record, that yellowing is sexy. Glad to hear that worked out for your friend though. Sounds like that's the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WRGKMC Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 Alcohol will remove magic marker. Do "Not" Use Laquer, Nitro or oil based clearcoat, they will all make it run instantly. I wouldnt even trust poly unless you test it first. If the guitar is laquer, do not use poly, it will peal off the laquer like sunburn taking the signature with it. Your best bet is to use a "water" based acrylic. You can find it in hobby shops and such and its designed for applying as a protective coating. Its used to protect oil paintings and unlikely to make tha marker run. Again testing it is important. If the instrument was ever polished with silicone, you may have problems with anything working. Thats why products like Fret ease are so bad, getting that stuff off and exposed fretboard is impossible once it gets into the wood. On a finished body, its not that big a deal. Normally applying another clearcoating, you would clean the finish with naphia first. Since the signatures there already, thats not going to happen so its pot luck on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members naz420 Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 What is nitro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WRGKMC Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 Nitrocellulose is a polymer (a type of plastic resin) added to laquer that makes the finish hard as nails. Its also what causes the finish to yellow a bit like on old fenders. Newer poly finishes dont yellow like the nitro did so newer fender imports will always retain their color as they age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members normh Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 What I learned working with incompatible finishes on an old project was that if the first coat is a VERY light fog coat, the under coat will be stabilized for further coats. While I did not do coats over magic marker, I did nitro over poly, poly over auto paint and auto paint over nitro. Each finish will destroy the other. Yet, I worked all three together using the above. Bear in mind, it took a long time to learn how to work them together. So if you try, use a scrap piece of wood with the appropriate finishes and sharpie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hazard29 Posted August 10, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 I personally like the idea of static cling film - sounds easy enough and won't harm the guitar at all. I'll have to start looking around for that stuff. I have had autographs on the back plates of guitars before and just sprayed them with clear automotive lacquer and they have held up nice over the years. Since the plate is only made of plastic, I didn't really care what happened but now I am a little afraid of trying that same procedure on the body of this king V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kujozilla Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 Cover with scotch tape and the finish over it. No ink run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 I personally like the idea of static cling film - sounds easy enough and won't harm the guitar at all. I'll have to start looking around for that stuff.I have had autographs on the back plates of guitars before and just sprayed them with clear automotive lacquer and they have held up nice over the years. Since the plate is only made of plastic, I didn't really care what happened but now I am a little afraid of trying that same procedure on the body of this king V. I wouldn't trust that as a long term solution, especially if you play that guitar alot. That part of the guitar will see alot of contact and rubbing. Even under the film it could wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WRGKMC Posted August 10, 2010 Members Share Posted August 10, 2010 Get some water slide decal material. Wet it then just slide it off over the signature. It will last as long as a normal decal and it water based so it wont cause the alcohol based magic marker to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Staredge Posted August 11, 2010 Members Share Posted August 11, 2010 Don't know much about decals & finishes, but if he put the waterslide over the top and then poly'd it over the top of that...wouldn't that work??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted August 11, 2010 Members Share Posted August 11, 2010 What about clear nail polish? I'm not saying it would work, I'm just asking if it would.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted August 11, 2010 Members Share Posted August 11, 2010 What about clear nail polish? I'm not saying it would work, I'm just asking if it would.. The solvent in that would probably make the marker bleed. Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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