Members Devi Ever Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 I just thought about this, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think I might be right. To create a dieing battery sound in a fuzz pedal, you simply wire things up as shown in this handy diagram provided to the public by Beavis Audio Research http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/Pots/index.htm ... and then I was thinking about something Autopilot mentioned in regards to the voltage thread elsewhere at www.deviever.com, and it occurred to me that all you'd need to do to make a little box to make any pedal have the "sag" option as shown above would be like this PEEP enclosure [ female DC jack -> pot wired as such above -> male DC plug ] (all things available at www.mouser.com) ... and cost all of $10 or less to make, then any pedal could be experimented with in terms of sagging. :') Then all you would do is plug in your power supply to the "sag box", and plug your "sag box" into whatever pedal you want to sag. I'm too busy to draw up the diagram, but hopefully this might inspire some of you to make it happen, so make it happen!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpectralJulian Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 Sagging is such a funny word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alteredsounds Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 got a sag control on my Flatliner, nothing sounds good 'under powered' except maybe a fuzz face I've found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 That, is a very good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GRINGO_LOCO Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 As crazy as it seems, I like to use a much higher value pot...it allows a larger range of voltage control.... If ya want to get "fancy", its easy to hook a VU meter to lug 2 and be able to monitor the voltage visually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 i agree. it's a useless feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alteredsounds Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 Mr Beadle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 watch out, beadle's about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GRINGO_LOCO Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 i agree. it's a useless feature. unless you use fuzz pedals. or some time based effects, which can do some crazy cool things if starved for voltage. or some boosters, especially fet based, which can take on a, for lack of a better word, syrup-y overdrive character if starved for voltage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alteredsounds Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 I use all the above and have starved them but tbh they sound crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GRINGO_LOCO Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 I use all the above and have starved them but tbh they sound crap Often times they do...but occasionally you'll find a pedal that they'll work wonders with.... Plus, sometimes glitchy "crap" is what you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alteredsounds Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 FuzzFace can get a good dying sound but I cant handle glitching sounds lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TweedBassman Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 the voltage control on my LowFuzz pedal goes from 9 volts down to 1 volt. there are really rad, usable fuzz sounds all the way down to 1 volt. other pedals don't react so well, fuzz faces do and maybe a few distortions or overdrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skr3ddy Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 If I'm not mistaken, Joe Gagan had the idea years ago to create a sag control using a stereo input plug and wiring the pot between the ring and sleeve connections and then a regular input jack (stereo, too, if you want the battery-off feature preserved when nothing's plugged in). Same idea but works even for pedals without a dc jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tenoken Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 Interesting idea! Way to put your thinking cap on, son. Someone ought to try it out. I'm too busy with other DIY {censored} right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hanglow Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 Good idea. The only other thing that I have found lesser voltages useful for, other than fuzz, is my ruby amp, so it can break up at lower volumes which is handy for playing at 3 in the morning. I think it works down to about 5v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newstrat60 Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 I think the "stab" knob on the Fuzz Factory can do that on fuzz face-ish setting, as well as the "sun" knob on the Analogman Sunface ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blackjack davey Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 Me likey this idea Unfortunately, I'm a monkey when it comes to soldering, diagrams, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Snare227 Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 Yeah they make these boxes that do what you're describing. People often use them to plug power tools like drills into to make them very variable speed. We use them in the lab for centrifuging at various speeds. You may be able to find them at like a Home Depot or some place like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 I had a DOD FX-75B flanger back in the day that did some cool stuff when the battery started to die. With the battery a little underpowered, you'd get slapback delay/reverb-y sounds, then if you kept playing, you'd start a high-pitched whistling sound that eventually overwhelmed your signal before the pedal eventually stopped working altogether. The Dano FAB distortion and overdrive also work well at lower voltages- they take on a gated (but not too gated), fuzz type tonality, and will work right down to about 3v. On the whole, I'd agree that this gizmo might have limited use, but like GRINGO LOCO said, occasionally it might be like flicking the magic mojo switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joe Klink Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 If my memory of Ohm's law is still intact, then the way a 2K pot behaves is directly dependent on how much current the effect draws. If the effect draws very little current, then the pot won't cause much of a drop. If the effect draws a lot of current, then the drop will be huge. Someone who knows more can correct me if I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AMZ-FX Posted August 29, 2007 Moderators Share Posted August 29, 2007 More info on battery sag: http://www.muzique.com/lab/patent2.htm regards, Jack . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dan-o-guitar Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 LOL, Bit Chin Tone....I'd forgotten about that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GRINGO_LOCO Posted August 29, 2007 Members Share Posted August 29, 2007 On the whole, I'd agree that this gizmo might have limited use, but like GRINGO LOCO said, occasionally it might be like flicking the magic mojo switch Especially considering its all of $5 to build. Maybe $10, depending on the enclosure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Devi Ever Posted August 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 30, 2007 More info on battery sag:http://www.muzique.com/lab/patent2.htmregards, Jack. Just noticed that today too. :') The asian symbols threw me off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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