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  • #46
    Damn! What kind of ****************-holes are you playing in?


    The kind where there's no stage and everybody thinks it's cool to slam dance the musicians. I should have added that when I posted that above. I mean looks do factor in but who really cares except the roots rock weirdos? But I do like to have a solid body at those kinds of gigs and one that's known not to have the neck snap right off.

    This is the song I get that from, it's the only video I could find but listen to the lyrics.

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    • #47
      That song was great!

      Don't get me wrong, I love rockabilly & surf music, but a lot of those greaser types are just

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      • #48
        That song was great!

        Don't get me wrong, I love rockabilly & surf music, but a lot of those greaser types are just


        I throw that on shuffle once in a while. lulz Brian Setzer has a song from a few years back that has a very similar content that I heard stemmed from these roots rock weirdos getting in his face around town telling him he ain't "rockabilly". Can you imagine that ****************? Like Brian Setzer ain't rockabilly, lulz WTF???

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        • #49
          theres 2 scales: the Dick Dale scale and chromatic scale.
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          • #50
            Kind of interesting the various ways people recommend to learn music:

            1) Buy gear
            2) Listen to cool players and play like them
            3) Learn music theory
            4) Just figure it out song by song
            5) Follow tabs
            etc.

            Probably depends on the OPs background, experience, and goals. Being something of an inept, theory-deficient beginner/intermediate, I personally find 1 and 5 the easiest, 3 and 4 difficult, and 2 just about impossible.


            I've always been more oriented towards 2 and 4 than the other approaches, but I think all of them are valid. Try to learn as much as you can via each of them.

            Different people learn in different ways. Some are more verbal learners, others prefer to watch or to learn while doing, while others want diagrams, notes, theory, or expect the gear alone to carry the day. Believe me, I'm probably more aware than most in terms of the difference really good gear can make, but without some effort from the musician, it's worthless. It may make you "sound better and / or more authentic", and that's important to a genre like surf with its close association with specific gear and effects - single coil pickups, various Fenders and Mosrites, lots of reverb and vibrato bar... but you need to have the musical aspects happening too. I DO suggest listening to records - for me, that's always been the key. If I can hear something, I can generally get it a lot better than if you just write it out via notation (which I do read) or describe it verbally, and since music is an auditory art, I think that's always a great place to start!

            Gear wise, you can add in a fuzz, and maybe a bit of tremolo (different than vibrato - Fender labels them assbackwards), but it's not all that hard to get a decent sounding surf rig together.

            To get the vibe, to get the attitude, I really think you have to surf. There's power in a 10' wave that, until one has thrown you over the top and slammed you down and under and round and round until you thought your lungs might burst, you really can't quite understand. There's some of that same sense of balance, grace - and power that is a big part of surf music IMHO. Too esoteric? Okay. Who235 is right IMO - the way the drums and the guitar accent together and interact is a important part of surf. Again, listen to some of those clips (above) with that in mind, and pay attention to how the drums drive surf, and the guitars carry the melody and accent with the drums.
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            • #51
              The Gretsch with Dynasonics for sure, but a hollow body might look a little too Western unless you're thinking of a something like a Duo Jet. That would totally rock both worlds.


              Yeah, I could totally see a single coil equipped Duo Jet with a Bigsby working for both. hil:
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              "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

              - George Carlin

              "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

              - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

              "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

              - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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              • #52
                Thanks for all the advice Some pretty sweet tunes have been posted in here
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                • #53
                  Yeah, I could totally see a single coil equipped Duo Jet with a Bigsby working for EVERYTHING hil:


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                  • #54
                    This thread has been helpful I too want to expand my surf/western style tunes. I usually end up playing "Walk don't run" for an hour straight and it's only a 2 minute song.
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                    • #55
                      Learn how to play Pipeline, Wipeout, Miserlou, and try and get them sounding as close as you can to the record...

                      The picking hand is very important! If you use a pick any thinner than 0.7mm, chuck it out and get a thicker one!
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                      • #56
                        I play a bit of surf guitar from time to time and I've noticed that when you're using that kind of guitar tone (very trebly cleans w/loads of reverb) you have to play very cleanly and accurately because you can hear all the little flubs/string squeaks etc loud and clear...that's probably what makes it tricky.

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                        • #57
                          I agree, surfing helps, but most of my experience there is on a boogieboard, bodysurfing, some windsurfing. I'd never get anywhere near a 10' wave. I just like the music and how it makes me feel. We lousy or non-surfers can always look to the Trashmen for inspiration.

                          I agree too, there's more than one way to learn and even the same person can benefit from trying different routes. I guess I was surprised all the various approaches showed up in the same thread.

                          I saw Dick Dale a few months ago. He's awesome. I was impressed by his tone and by how he seems to play complicated stuff with so little hand motion. It helped my playing in a way I don't think I'd have gotten just practicing at home. Made me love my Strat more too.
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                          • #58


                            I need to listen to this band more.

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                            • #59
                              The only surfing Ive ever done. Closest Ocean to me is the Gulf of Mexico, and thats 300 mi.

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                              • #60
                                'Pineapple' is one word there, Slim.

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