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  • #46
    How about all the people that Monsanto sued who weren't using their seed, but had to settle because they couldn't afford the army of lawyers that Monsanto has?

    There is no proof that GM food increases yield. No proof that it is resistant to pestilence or blight. Since I have a minor in economics from the University of Florida, yes, I understand economics.

    Monsanto has won repeatedly in court on the cross-pollination suit.

    You call all these websites propaganda, and you call me ignorant. Yet, you haven't managed to cite a single instance to back up your argument.

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    • #47
      Did you miss the part where I said they work for the USDA. According to this thread we can't trust government scientists or scientists in the private sector.


      Again. You really need to educate yourself on Monstano's "relationship" with the US government. I'm not saying everyone in the GOV is bad but I don't want them making all my decisions for me thanks.
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      • #48


        You're not even operating in any kind of factual reality.

        Genetically modified plants that produce more food quicker are bankrupting the people using them in a world that has a virtually bottomless need for food? That's sort of like saying that everybody in the world wants a Ford and if Ford starts producing more cars then they're going bankrupt. Do you understand basic economics?

        The only people 'bankrupted' from Monsanto are the morons that willfully broke their contracts over and over and over again and got their asses handed to them in court. Don't like it? Don't use Monsanto products. Pretty simple. There are numerous other seed companies out there that would happily sell you their products.


        Bull****************, you do realize that Monsanto places terminator genes in their crops to ensure the farmers are dependent on Monsanto for generation after generation of generic stock that may or may not be suitable for their climates. Worse, when those plants with terminator genes pollinate neighboring fields the gene can be passed on to the neighbors field, who very well have a family stock seed that has been crafted by their family for generations, thus killing the work of those generations, and making them dependent on Monsanto in the future.

        I hate it when people that have no idea of what the **************** is really going on get all holier than thou, all based on the dumbass corporatist trumpeting conservatives love to blat out across the media.

        Monsanto is taking steps to ensure that farmers across the world are at their mercy, and when they are will price accordingly.
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        • #49
          Bull****************, you do realize that Monsanto places terminator genes in their crops to ensure the farmers are dependent on Monsanto for generation after generation of generic stock that may or may not be suitable for their climates. Worse, when those plants with terminator genes pollinate neighboring fields the gene can be passed on to the neighbors field, who very well have a family stock seed that has been crafted by their family for generations, thus killing the work of those generations, and making them dependent on Monsanto in the future.

          I hate it when people that have no idea of what the **************** is really going on get all holier than thou, all based on the dumbass corporatist trumpeting conservatives love to blat out across the media.

          Monsanto is taking steps to ensure that farmers across the world are at their mercy, and when they are will price accordingly.



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          • #50
            Again. You really need to educate yourself on Monstano's "relationship" with the US government. I'm not saying everyone in the GOV is bad but I don't want them making all my decisions for me thanks.


            Also, he doesn't realize how many of those government scientists are former employees of Monsanto, or may be treated favorably if they seek employment with Monsanto in the future. It's much like the revolving door of military officers/lobbyists/government contractors.
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            • #51
              Well. I have to say that if you consider how pollination works and the fact that the GMO plants are allegedly no different than the Natural plants you have to realize prospect of cross pollination would and will occur. That said who is taking who's rights? It has to be taken into consideration.


              Except that no lawsuit has been upheld, to my knowledge, that permits penalization for cross-pollination. Suing is one thing. Winning is quite another.

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              • #52
                How about all the people that Monsanto sued who weren't using their seed, but had to settle because they couldn't afford the army of lawyers that Monsanto has?

                There is no proof that GM food increases yield. No proof that it is resistant to pestilence or blight. Since I have a minor in economics from the University of Florida, yes, I understand economics.

                Monsanto has won repeatedly in court on the cross-pollination suit.

                You call all these websites propaganda, and you call me ignorant. Yet, you haven't managed to cite a single instance to back up your argument.


                This. There are countless stories of farmers who have been attacked by Monsanto's legal teams and investigators. They will literally stake out farmers homes and fields, and harass them constantly day in and day out with threatening calls and emails.
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                • #53
                  Bull****************, you do realize that Monsanto places terminator genes in their crops to ensure the farmers are dependent on Monsanto for generation after generation of generic stock that may or may not be suitable for their climates. Worse, when those plants with terminator genes pollinate neighboring fields the gene can be passed on to the neighbors field, who very well have a family stock seed that has been crafted by their family for generations, thus killing the work of those generations, and making them dependent on Monsanto in the future.

                  I hate it when people that have no idea of what the **************** is really going on get all holier than thou, all based on the dumbass corporatist trumpeting conservatives love to blat out across the media.

                  Monsanto is taking steps to ensure that farmers across the world are at their mercy, and when they are will price accordingly.


                  Umm...my family has been farmers for generations. I grew up on a farm...growing, among other brands, Monsanto plants. But, continue to rely upon propaganda to inform your worldview.

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                  • #54
                    This. There are countless stories of farmers who have been attacked by Monsanto's legal teams and investigators. They will literally stake out farmers homes and fields, and harass them constantly day in and day out with threatening calls and emails.


                    'Countless?' Links? Proof? There were two big cases in the US and one in Canada.

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                    • #55
                      Bull****************, you do realize that Monsanto places terminator genes in their crops to ensure the farmers are dependent on Monsanto for generation after generation of generic stock that may or may not be suitable for their climates. Worse, when those plants with terminator genes pollinate neighboring fields the gene can be passed on to the neighbors field, who very well have a family stock seed that has been crafted by their family for generations, thus killing the work of those generations, and making them dependent on Monsanto in the future.

                      I hate it when people that have no idea of what the **************** is really going on get all holier than thou, all based on the dumbass corporatist trumpeting conservatives love to blat out across the media.

                      Monsanto is taking steps to ensure that farmers across the world are at their mercy, and when they are will price accordingly.


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                      • #56
                        Bull****************, you do realize that Monsanto places terminator genes in their crops to ensure the farmers are dependent on Monsanto for generation after generation of generic stock that may or may not be suitable for their climates. Worse, when those plants with terminator genes pollinate neighboring fields the gene can be passed on to the neighbors field, who very well have a family stock seed that has been crafted by their family for generations, thus killing the work of those generations, and making them dependent on Monsanto in the future.


                        You have absolutely NO idea how farming works in the US. People don't 'hand craft' soybean seeds like a damn vineyard. They buy new seed every year. Very, very, very, very few farmers keep and clean seeds from harvest for next years planting. So few, in fact, that if somebody IS doing that it looks very suspicious to the people that are monitoring Monsanto's seeds. That's how those guys got caught....nobody anywhere cleans seeds anymore and haven't for decades.

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                        • #57
                          Umm...my family has been farmers for generations. I grew up on a farm...growing, among other brands, Monsanto plants. But, continue to rely upon propaganda to inform your worldview.


                          You too are relying on propaganda. Just from the other side of the fence. Obviously your family wouldn't knowingly use something insidious.
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                          • #59
                            Except that no lawsuit has been upheld, to my knowledge, that permits penalization for cross-pollination. Suing is one thing. Winning is quite another.


                            Oh, so bankrupting farmers to intimidate others into not fighting Monsanto's unethical monopoly on life is a perfectly acceptable behavior?

                            Also, you need to check out more suits then if you think Monsanto has not won any of those suits. Monsanto has had them upheld, but judges have been hesitant to award financial penalties do to political back lash. The problem is in how patent law is written. Patent law doesn't include life, but it does not exclude it either. The only reason this is, is that when the laws were written no body envisioned the advances in GE that would make it an issue. We have 1800's laws that are being applied to a 2000's world, and it's time to amend the laws.
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                            • #60
                              Lib doomsday crap.

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