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  • How much gain does one REALLY need........

    ...... for metal?



    I'm talking about along the different styles of Dream Theater, Megadeth, McTallica, Iron Maiden, Kreator, Lamb of God.





    Been playing my 5153 mini since Feb-March and, as much as I do love it, I feel that the gain and compression on channel 3 are way too much. For channel 3, I keep the gain knob at about 90-100 & this usually helps reduce some of the compression and over-the-top gain. Although I do this to help reduce he gain and compression, I can't help but feel limited in my tonal options on channel 3 (and the lack of channel one's volume). This 5153 mini is slowly becoming a one channel wonder for me, as I find the gain in channel 2 enough for the types of bands I listed above - without a boost. Still, the raw tone on channel 2 is pretty damn sweet!



    Guess I'm just looking for some more experienced opinions than my own as well as some general guidance as to what the hell I need!
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  • #2
    I use gain sparingly. I pretty much dial it in where you have a nice crunch and chords still sound coherent then add my boost for a little saturation. On my JCA22 that happens to be around 2 on the gain dial.
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    • #3
      On my old 5150 BL, I would keep the gain on my lead channel at 10 o'clock and that was plenty for me. 5150's just have a ridiculous amount of gain.
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      • #4
        You have to be more specific. What sound are you trying to cop?
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        • #5
          A decent player needs whatever the style he's going for needs.



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          • #6
            Contrary to the popular consensus on HCAF, I tend to use a **************** load of gain when playing the heaviest of metalz live, though my amp is quite usable throughout the entire range of the gain knobs and has a huge dynamic range. My main metal tone is my Deliverance 60 set to "less" mode, with both gain knobs set at 30 and a boost pedal up front.



            For recording, using less gain than usual is a good idea though, especially when multi-tracking parts.
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            • #7
              It goes hand in hand with voicing. Rectifiers don't actually have THAT much gain, but the voicing makes it sound a lot heavier. Personally I need a thick voicing with enough gain to match. Somewhere in the 90's amount of gain, the whole 80's thrash thing doesn't satisfy me.



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              • #8
                Let me start by saying that Keator is the only band you listed that uses a 5150. Kreator used 5150s for a long time, then switched to engl pretty recently and and now uses evh 5153.

                All the other bands you listed are on the opposite side of the tone spectrum from the evh 5150.

                Are you trying to achieve the tone that these band have? If yes, then you probably have the wrong amp. You may want to consider a Mesa mark iv/v. My opinion is this, If the amp doesn't inspire you to play then its the wrong amp.

                How much is enough gain? All 5150 makes and models have a ridiculous amount of gain. I always go between 4-6 on the gain with these amps, just depends on how much saturation and compression I want.

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                • #9
                  Bout 3 cups of gain is usually good for me. Gets my clothes clean and smelling fresh.
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                  • #10
                    Its about the liquid lead feel for me. I find that I use a lot of gain at first and then I taper it back overtime. Amazing how an amp will change feel once all the tubes get heated up.



                    At a gig turn your amp on 45 minutes to an hour before the gig if possible. Your amp will be a beast from the get go.
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                    • #11
                      Its about the liquid lead feel for me. I find that I use a lot of gain at first and then I taper it back overtime. Amazing how an amp will change feel once all the tubes get heated up.



                      At a gig turn your amp on 45 minutes to an hour before the gig if possible. Your amp will be a beast from the get go.
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                      • #12
                        Treble 10

                        Mid 0

                        Bass 10

                        Gain 10



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                        • #13






                          Quote Originally Posted by stompboxfreak72
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                          Its about the liquid lead feel for me. I find that I use a lot of gain at first and then I taper it back overtime. Amazing how an amp will change feel once all the tubes get heated up.



                          At a gig turn your amp on 45 minutes to an hour before the gig if possible. Your amp will be a beast from the get go.




                          This is a fallacy. The only thing that will affect is tube life.
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                          • #14
                            Gain knob goes down as volume knob goes up.
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                            • #15






                              Quote Originally Posted by Robson780
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                              This is a fallacy. The only thing that will affect is tube life.




                              Then I will float in my sea of ignorance with my burned out tubes.
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