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    Looking to learn Harmonica for a goregrind death metal band, but not sure which one is tuned for my needs...Is there a drop A or at least a drop D tuned harmonica? Alternatively are there any minor tuned ones? I need the presence of the dark lord coming out of it.
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    Give this a listen.

    Remember with most harps(except for Lee Oskar Minor, Harmonic Minor and Melody Maker) you have to figure the cross harp key. That is to say if you want to play in the key of E (popular for Metal) you'll need an A harp. Just count up a 5th to get the Cross Harp Key. So for A you'd have A,B,C,D and your Cross Harp, E.
    You can get harps in Low tunings like Low F, Low D, ect but it's not the same as a guitar in Dropped D, the entire key structure is tuned lower. Hope this has been a little help.:thu:

    P.S.
    Hohner Special 20's are pretty good harps as are the Lee Oskar Major Diatonics but it looks like the lowest you can get in the Spl.20 is Low D.
    http://folk-instruments.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hohner-560-Special-20-Harmonica-Low-Tuning?sku=584355
    <div class="signaturecontainer">*1 John 2:3-5*<br />
    Guitar:<br />
    Harmony Sovereign H182<br />
    Harmonicas:<br />
    Lee Oskar Major Diatonic: Low F, A, C<br />
    Gun:<br />
    Glock G19 RTF2, 9x19mm</div>

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    • #3
      Thx for the advice :thu:

      But I also have a few songs the use 8-strings(low F, Drop E, etc) would this harmonica you linked to work for that?

      and are their any cheaper ones? $32 seems kinda step for a harmonica, would they have what I need at a wal-mart or similar outlet store?

      It needs to be studio quality too, 44hz, etc

      Thanks!
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      • #4
        I've been playing for about 3 Months and I've given a few of the $20 buck and under Chinese harps a try and trust me, they're pretty much junk. You can get a Big River from Rockin' Ron's Music 4 Less for $22.50 but that's about as low as you can go to get anything playable and with any kind of quality. Lee Oskars are around $28-$30, you can find Special 20's for $29(give Ron a call) or get something like a Bushman Delta Frost for around $28-$30 if you shop around.
        Tuning on your guitar doesn't matter, what key will you be playing in, that will determine what key harp you'll use. If you'll be playing songs in A then you'll need a D harp, if you'll be playing songs in E then an A harp is what you'd play Cross Harp to play "in key" with the song.
        Do a google search on Harp Keys and I'm sure you'll find a ton of info. :thu:
        <div class="signaturecontainer">*1 John 2:3-5*<br />
        Guitar:<br />
        Harmony Sovereign H182<br />
        Harmonicas:<br />
        Lee Oskar Major Diatonic: Low F, A, C<br />
        Gun:<br />
        Glock G19 RTF2, 9x19mm</div>

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        • #5
          will the more expensive ones do 44.1hz or 96hz? I plan to record with it, so I need somewhat "pro" quality.

          Thanks
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          • #6
            Special 20, Lee Oskar, HarpMaster or Delta Frost will all be "Pro" quality although most actual Pro Harp players have their harps customized to some extent. I'm sure that any of those would work out well for you. Just need to figure out what key you'll be playing in and get the right key harp for the song.
            <div class="signaturecontainer">*1 John 2:3-5*<br />
            Guitar:<br />
            Harmony Sovereign H182<br />
            Harmonicas:<br />
            Lee Oskar Major Diatonic: Low F, A, C<br />
            Gun:<br />
            Glock G19 RTF2, 9x19mm</div>

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            • #7
              Thx for the advice :thu:

              But I also have a few songs the use 8-strings(low F, Drop E, etc) would this harmonica you linked to work for that?

              and are their any cheaper ones? $32 seems kinda step for a harmonica, would they have what I need at a wal-mart or similar outlet store?

              It needs to be studio quality too, 44hz, etc

              Thanks!


              My concern would be that if you are looking for studio quality, yet only willing to pay a low price, you run the risk of procuring brittle-sounding instruments.
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              • #8
                I don't think it'll matter what sample rate you use. 44.1 or 96 as long as you're in the right key.
                <div class="signaturecontainer">*1 John 2:3-5*<br />
                Guitar:<br />
                Harmony Sovereign H182<br />
                Harmonicas:<br />
                Lee Oskar Major Diatonic: Low F, A, C<br />
                Gun:<br />
                Glock G19 RTF2, 9x19mm</div>

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                • #9
                  Alright I think I am going to look for an A minor to start with..Do they have these in 96khz or 192khz sound quality?
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                  • #10
                    Do they have these in 96khz or 192khz sound quality?


                    Like I said, it doesn't really matter about sample rate. A Harmonica is an acoustic instrument and as such you can record it at any sample rate that you want. There's no "sample rate rating" for harmonicas.
                    Also, I don't think Am would be a good key to get unless the music you'll be playing to is in Em. I'd go for a standard A Major Diatonic, that'll let you play along Cross Harp in the key of E.
                    Give these links a look:
                    http://www.jt30.com/jt30page/pup/pup4.html
                    http://www.patmissin.com/index1.html
                    <div class="signaturecontainer">*1 John 2:3-5*<br />
                    Guitar:<br />
                    Harmony Sovereign H182<br />
                    Harmonicas:<br />
                    Lee Oskar Major Diatonic: Low F, A, C<br />
                    Gun:<br />
                    Glock G19 RTF2, 9x19mm</div>

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                    • #11
                      Lowest-tuned diatonic you can get is the Seydel Low Low F. That's F, like just above the E on a guitar. But these low harps get low by adding silver solder to the reeds. Won't be able to do any thrashing riffs on that one til you get to about the 3/4 holes

                      For melodies in alternative tunings - I imagine the harmonic minor would be great for metal (it's in straight harp so you can get the same key as the guitar). If you guys play any uncommon chord voicings (m6, etc) you might want to check out the Melody Makers

                      For chugga chugga stuff - A natural minor tuned diatonic will give you 7th chords (power chords) that have a flatted 3rd for a minor sound. It still doesn't have the pure ROCK sound that a regular old two-string 7th chord/dyad does though. Some chord harps have just those regular 7th chords in them, but most are really maj7 chords

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                      • #12
                        As for recording your harp, the sample rate it gets recorded at will be tied to the sample rate of your interface (if you're recording straight to computer) and you can mic up an amped harmonica just like any guitar or bass amp. Just ensure to isolate properly so you don't unleash any hellish feedback

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                        • #13
                          Alright I think I am going to look for an A minor to start with..Do they have these in 96khz or 192khz sound quality?


                          If you're going to change harps to go with the key changes in the song, make sure that the harps were made from the same batch. Although most people won't notice it, you run the risk of introducing phase cancellation effects, if the harps were manufactured out of phase. I think the only way to be sure is to test them side by side on an o-scope. You will either see the sine wave in or out of phase and it will be quite obvious. Just my two cents.
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                          • #14
                            As for recording your harp, the sample rate it gets recorded at will be tied to the sample rate of your interface (if you're recording straight to computer) and you can mic up an amped harmonica just like any guitar or bass amp. Just ensure to isolate properly so you don't unleash any hellish feedback


                            are you sure about that? I think when I first started playing guitar someone told me it was rated at 22hz and it did sound pretty cheap, I bought a newer guitar last summer and I think it's like 96hz right out of the box, no computer needed and sounds way better than my old guitar. unless I am missing something
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                            Or maybe that's just to attract the kids... <b><i>-Gallus</i></b></div>

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                            • #15
                              If you're going to change harps to go with the key changes in the song, make sure that the harps were made from the same batch. Although most people won't notice it, you run the risk of introducing phase cancellation effects, if the harps were manufactured out of phase. I think the only way to be sure is to test them side by side on an o-scope. You will either see the sine wave in or out of phase and it will be quite obvious. Just my two cents.


                              thanks for the heads up! If I end up getting 2 harmonicas i'll have to find someone good with electronics with an o-scope to test them. That might start getting expensive though, so i'll probably stick with one for now.
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                              <br />
                              Or maybe that's just to attract the kids... <b><i>-Gallus</i></b></div>

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