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  • Help with CRaZy PA config (for V-Drums)

    Hello all, i have stumbled across this great forum and am in hope of help. I am a drummer and recently bought a Roland kit. My intentions were at first justified due to the reality of a baby to soon be roaming the airspace but now im questioning them without being able to use them (with others) . I love the kit, but now need amplification. And I know there are many forums out there, but none quite like you guys. Everyone suggests the craziest things anywhere from a keyboard/ bass amp which you all know is insane; to rolands over priced dinky v-drum amp (pm-30). I am in the process of building a PA system for this kit to punch the walls and need some help as I am not an audio guy (I wish I was, I love the stuff, just not smart enough).

    So now that I hope im accepted as a newbie, here

  • #2
    Best drum wedge I ever found was a Yorkville NX750P it's powered speaker with plenty of SPL so you can get that thump in the chest kick out of your e-kit. It's what I use for our drummer that has a TD20 kit.

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    • #3
      Best drum wedge I ever found was a Yorkville NX750P it's powered speaker with plenty of SPL so you can get that thump in the chest kick out of your e-kit. It's what I use for our drummer that has a TD20 kit.


      Same here. My drummer has a TD20 kit and an NX750p as well. Very good drum monitor with lots of thump for the kick.
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      • #4
        okay well you have the 18 driver .. now I assume you have a cabinet, .. not just a driver (google search is only showing the driver.). you also have a top cab.

        The sub I am guess is fine, the top cab will work, but its older and seems to less effecent (about 90 Db at 4 volt / 10 feet (not sure what the is at 1 watt/m)) it is a 200 watt 8 ohm speaker. you would be able to run 2 of them off 1 SIDE of the amp if you so desired, but that is all. The amp you have CAN deliver more power then this speaker can handle so if you push down teh gas, the car may explode - so to speak.

        I would start of by staking the top cab on the sub to the right of your drum kit facing you .. its a monitor, for you to hear ... don't play it loud - you will kill your hearing. This will work fine for practices.

        The good news is that the amp you have has the ability to split the highs and lows up so that you can send lows to the sub, and the highs to the top cab.

        you will feed signal to Chanel 1 only (have your kit set up to "mono" ) and turn on the Crossover switch. plug the sub in to ch1, and the top in channel 2. you can , if you want plug in the second top by "daisy chaining " it from the first top cab. You MIGHT be able to do this with the sub as well.

        2 speakers will not make it stereo. run mono . no one will care, or appreciate stereo at a gig. Many PA's are run mono - in fact most, even if they CAN be run streo, are used in a mono way.

        Anyway , thos are soem random thoughts to get you started.


        Have you considered headphones?
        -token canadian

        Lest we forget: double-blind tests make audiophiles look twice as stupid. CRAIG V 2007

        Just for fun, what do you think would happen if you decided to take a nap in the fast lane of a freeway? agedhorse -2008

        Funny, I'll bet I have a good one sitting on my shelf. agedhorse -2008

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        • #5
          I do use head phones now, and of course the sound is awesome. Im just looking for some juice for jam sessions.

          As far as the PA speakers i mentioned, im a bit confused to how the GX5 may blow it as it is rated at 1000W peak.

          The black widow is in a nice Cab.

          If the two PA's are "daisy chained" into channel 2, is that going to split the 500watts into 250 per speaker? is this enough power to safely run the speakers without causing damage?

          I really appreciate everyone's feedback here!

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          • #6
            This is strictly for the living room? Then yes, it'll be plenty.

            Remember that ears are not replaceable.
            .....

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            • #7
              Also another great source of valuable info. on Roland V drums is their V drum Forum great folks over their that can clue you in on some good drum settings and other tech stuff for the V drums if need be.
              Check it out if you haven't already.

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              • #8
                I just got everything listed above, hooked everything up and feel something is not right. I can crank the amp full blast and it is not all that loud. Both speakers are working, its just really week.. the sound is pretty clear, def no fuzz or anything, just weak. I can hear myself talking for sure... To amend the above, i have the QSC GX5 with a 18'' black widow sub - specs listed. there is a correct on the EV. They are actually EVX 150A rated at 1000w. I only have one hooked up. The cables im using are used. Could this be the problem for it jsut not being that loud? any suggestions???

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                • #9
                  I just got everything listed above, hooked everything up and feel something is not right. I can crank the amp full blast and it is not all that loud. Both speakers are working, its just really week.. the sound is pretty clear, def no fuzz or anything, just weak. I can hear myself talking for sure... To amend the above, i have the QSC GX5 with a 18'' black widow sub - specs listed. there is a correct on the EV. They are actually EVX 150A rated at 1000w. I only have one hooked up. The cables im using are used. Could this be the problem for it jsut not being that loud? any suggestions???


                  V-drum module>amp>speaker= low volume
                  V-drum module>mixer>amp>speaker= loud

                  Our drummer tried the same thing with his Mackie 1400 amp and a single Yamaha club speaker as a dedicated drum amp and it was wimpy weak hell I could holler louder then what it was dishing out. Of course he's older and wiser then me and I don't know what I'm doing then I tried and like to blew his head off.

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                  • #10
                    Yep, run through a mixer first and it'll make all the difference.

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                    • #11
                      Drums then Mixer, then Power amp.

                      IIRC back in the day there was a local club that fried their fair share of horns in that particular EV cab by trying to get more out of them than they had, so watch your hats, cymbals, and overall top cab volume.

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                      • #12
                        Best thing to do is get rid of what you got and get you a Yorkville NX750P and a small $99 Soundcraft mixer hook your V-drum into the mixer run a XLR cable into the NX750P and then watch your volume so the neighbors won't call the cops on you. If you plan on joining a band later on your gonna need a decent drum wedge anyway. Lugging around a sub along with a top and amp is gonna get old real quick. Plus the NX750P has plenty of SPL (volume) to keep up with a 5 peice rock band end of story.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for all the feedback guys it is truly appreciated. I have this PA for sale locally and am going to go with your advise once its sold and pick up a NX750P. In the meantime, can someone help me understand why going through a mixer first makes any difference at all as far as power if the mixer itself is not powered??

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                          • #14
                            There is a setting in the brain that allows you to modify the kit volume (F1 I think). Is that setting turned up pretty high?

                            Edit: Oh..and a mixer can be helpful if the Roland brain is sending a weak signal. The mixer has a pre-amp that can be adjusted with the gain/trim knob to bring that weak signal up to a solid line level signal and then sent to the amp via the mixer out.
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                            • #15
                              i can not locate an actual kit volume in the brain. I did change the output to the headphone jack and have much more power, but still not really impressed..

                              Flanc, thanks for the explanation about the mixer. makes sense now!

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