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  • #31
    I'm not interested in doing any DJ work. This rig will be for live instruments.



    I was able to A-B test the K12 and ELX112P. Both sounded equally good. The K12 sounded a little fuller and the ELX112P a little clearer. That store didn't have K10s in stock, so I'll have to hunt around for some I can listen to.



    I'll look into the DXRs. They could keep my Yamaha stage piano and grand piano company. The HK Elements system seems to be hard to come by. Do they not sell through traditional outlets?



    The gig I have coming up has been expanded and there will be a PA system there I can use, so I have more time to make a decision.

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    • #32
      I am not surprised that the K12 and the ELX112P were "equally good". Each brand will have their own "feel" I guess - but there are many that do sound "really good" and "equally good" too. The Yorkville NX 55P is another really nice sounding cabinet (a 12" speaker with a horn).
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      • #33






        Quote Originally Posted by Rbts
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        I am not surprised that the K12 and the ELX112P were "equally good". Each brand will have their own "feel" I guess - but there are many that do sound "really good" and "equally good" too. The Yorkville NX 55P is another really nice sounding cabinet (a 12" speaker with a horn).




        and it has a prodigious bottom-end, without clouding the vocals, unlike the K-Series which noticeably muddies the vocals when DEEP* is engaged. You can't beat Yorkville's customer-service too, but you'll probably never need it; they're bullet-proof.
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        • #34
          Yea - I did do a lot of testing before I decided on the Yorkville NX 55P as My Choice - and yes - I have never regreted it. I have 8 of them now - and am a happy camper. But a lot of the other cabinets are also very nice.
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          • #35






            Quote Originally Posted by kkelly
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            I'm not interested in doing any DJ work. This rig will be for live instruments.



            I was able to A-B test the K12 and ELX112P. Both sounded equally good. The K12 sounded a little fuller and the ELX112P a little clearer. That store didn't have K10s in stock, so I'll have to hunt around for some I can listen to.



            I'll look into the DXRs. They could keep my Yamaha stage piano and grand piano company. The HK Elements system seems to be hard to come by. Do they not sell through traditional outlets?



            The gig I have coming up has been expanded and there will be a PA system there I can use, so I have more time to make a decision.




            The Yorkville NX55p's are indeed a full sounding speaker, and for your application would be very good.



            I agree with your assessment of the K12 and ELX112P as that was my experience as well.



            Unfortunately, it is unlikely that you will find any NX55p's to audition in GC, so you would have to look around to find them.



            The K12's are a little more expensive compared to the ELX112p's. The ELX's have a pretty crappy finish though.



            Give a listen to the DXR's. They are pretty good sounding speakers as well. I have never A/B'd them against the K12's (I did the older (and arguably one step up) DSR series which is nearly impossible to find now).



            All of these speakers are very good and will be quite good for a solo act.
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            • #36
              I've seen the Bose L1 used for this application successfully on many occasions. The one thing I don't like is the sub module. Todays keyboards can do so much that a sub makes a HUGE difference and the Bose module just isn'y enough IMHO. If you have a good left hand then you really need to audition your choices with a sub. Try them with the tops full range without the subs and with the tops/subs setup at the correct crossover points. At that point the choice will be either to spend the money or not for the difference. I regularly rent a piano rig to a customer. Yamaha Motif XS8, QSC HPR122i's, and a Traynor K4 keyboard amp. The Traynor is used for both the mixer and monitor. One night I added a pair of Proel Flash 15's(a mediocre 15" sub) that I had picked up when they were dirt cheap, just to see how much difference it would make. The customer now demands them. It was an eye opening experience. I've heard the K8's, and have to say that they surpassed my expectations. But they will lack in low end. I would reccomend at least the 12's. Of course this is all dependant on the genre of music, size of venue,.....etc. The mono/stereo debate for keys is another thing to keep in mind.

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              • #37
                I am not against the Bose System either - BUT - the other thing with a Bose system - is that it pretty much just does what it does - and the future is uncertain. IF someone were to buy two NX 55P speakers to do this with - for one thing - it would work great - and then who knows what the future brings - maybe next year they're in some band - and using the NX55P speakers for "some other" purpose. They are very functional in a variety of ways - GREAT LITTLE UTILITY CABINET. (The Bose - um maybe not so much - just saying.)
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                • #38






                  Quote Originally Posted by kkelly
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                  I'm not interested in doing any DJ work. This rig will be for live instruments.



                  I was able to A-B test the K12 and ELX112P. Both sounded equally good. The K12 sounded a little fuller and the ELX112P a little clearer. That store didn't have K10s in stock, so I'll have to hunt around for some I can listen to.



                  I'll look into the DXRs. They could keep my Yamaha stage piano and grand piano company. The HK Elements system seems to be hard to come by. Do they not sell through traditional outlets?



                  The gig I have coming up has been expanded and there will be a PA system there I can use, so I have more time to make a decision.




                  I am a kybd. player & I own both a pair of QSC K10's and QSC K12's - bought 'em sight unseen/or heard... and I love 'em - both!! - - and I even sprung for the 90 dollar QSC padded bags custom made for each model cabinet... pricey but they keep them looking new, even after a few yrs. - - plus the pocket on side of the bag is perfect to keep the pwr. cord in for each spkr.



                  I sometimes use the K12's for PA mains and the K10's for stage monitors and also kybd. monitoring, running from a Soundcraft MFXi8 mixer... if I'm providing PA on a gig.



                  I sometimes use the pair of K10's w/a small Yammie MG10cx mixer as a killer kbyd. rig if I'm just showing up to be "kybd. player" guy and someone ELSE is running PA.



                  The K8's sound good also but just will NOT have enough bass for you.



                  The K10's should do fine for a solo act - they put out a surprising amount of bass for their size.



                  The K12's are worth considering if you ever plan to do more than just a solo act - you can use them as your mains and eventually add a pair of K10's for floor monitors, for duo, trio, 4piece (etc.), i.e. - - gigs that are more than just solo performances.
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                  • #39






                    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Sound Guy
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                    If you are just a piano and a voice then going with the EV ELX112P gives you two inputs. You would not need the AH Zed. The K series has three inputs? With either model you would not need an outboard mix, and you could plug directly into the powered loudspeaker/s. Witht the Qsc you have piano, mic, and a little ipod or something for break tunes you could input.




                    But neither the ELX112P or the K Series cabinets have built in reverb or delay, so unless he has an absolutely astonishing voice - - that needs NO help from effects whatsoever... - - it is better to have a small mixer w/the built-in FX - - plus you can easily control/adjust volume from a small mixer that is right at your fingertips, which is sometimes necessary in a piano bar situation - you turn up later in the night, when the room is louder and filled w/more drunken/boisterous people



                    If he's plugged directly into spkrs., without a mixer - he'd have to get up from the piano, walk over to the spkr. stands & fiddle w/the volume on the back of each spkr. separately - - not cool, not convenient & not professional at all...
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                    <font size="1"><b><u>Keys</u>:</b><br />
                    <i>Sold:</i> Yamaha S90ES, Korg Triton Le<br />
                    <i>Using:</i> Yamaha MoX8 <i>(bottom tier)</i> &amp; Korg M3 <i>(top)</i>, or just Roland RD300GX<i> (on small gigs)</i><br />
                    <i>Tried, returned:</i> Korg M50, Roland Fantom G7<br />
                    <b><u>Mixers, Spkrs.</u>:</b><br />
                    Motion Sound KP200S &amp; KP100S, (2) QSC K12's, (2) QSC K10's, (2) JBL EON15 G2's, Fender Rumble 100 <i>(for Ibanez SR500 bass gtr.)</i>, <br />
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                    • #40






                      Quote Originally Posted by Bugzie
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                      I've seen the Bose L1 used for this application successfully on many occasions. The one thing I don't like is the sub module. Todays keyboards can do so much that a sub makes a HUGE difference and the Bose module just isn'y enough IMHO. If you have a good left hand then you really need to audition your choices with a sub. Try them with the tops full range without the subs and with the tops/subs setup at the correct crossover points. At that point the choice will be either to spend the money or not for the difference. I regularly rent a piano rig to a customer. Yamaha Motif XS8, QSC HPR122i's, and a Traynor K4 keyboard amp. The Traynor is used for both the mixer and monitor. One night I added a pair of Proel Flash 15's(a mediocre 15" sub) that I had picked up when they were dirt cheap, just to see how much difference it would make. The customer now demands them. It was an eye opening experience. I've heard the K8's, and have to say that they surpassed my expectations. But they will lack in low end. I would reccomend at least the 12's. Of course this is all dependant on the genre of music, size of venue,.....etc. The mono/stereo debate for keys is another thing to keep in mind.




                      I agree that the Bose bass module isn't a sub, but it's also not called a sub, and of course it was designed to be as small as possible. I'll reiterate that you can use any powered sub with the L1 systems, and if you've got a keyboard I'd definitely recommend going the sub route. Just keep the tradeoffs in mind, as nearly any sub will be larger and outweigh the Bose bass module.
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                      • #41






                        Quote Originally Posted by Craigv
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                        I agree that the Bose bass module isn't a sub, but it's also not called a sub, and of course it was designed to be as small as possible. I'll reiterate that you can use any powered sub with the L1 systems, and if you've got a keyboard I'd definitely recommend going the sub route. Just keep the tradeoffs in mind, as nearly any sub will be larger and outweigh the Bose bass module.




                        The Bose base module is actually a lower mid module that covers up to 250Hz....if it is replaced by a sub, it would have to be crossed at 250 and I don't think it would sound good. The correct call would be adding a sub in addition to the bass module

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                        • #42






                          Quote Originally Posted by GigMan
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                          But neither the ELX112P or the K Series cabinets have built in reverb or delay, so unless he has an absolutely astonishing voice - - that needs NO help from effects whatsoever... - - it is better to have a small mixer w/the built-in FX - - plus you can easily control/adjust volume from a small mixer that is right at your fingertips, which is sometimes necessary in a piano bar situation - you turn up later in the night, when the room is louder and filled w/more drunken/boisterous people



                          If he's plugged directly into spkrs., without a mixer - he'd have to get up from the piano, walk over to the spkr. stands & fiddle w/the volume on the back of each spkr. separately - - not cool, not convenient & not professional at all...




                          I do not have said absolutely astonishing voice. I sound significantly better with a little reverb.

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                          • #43
                            I have said this a few times in past posts, but I love the EV ELX 112's. We own the passive speakers but they are as nice as our QSC's respectively. Together they make a nice array and they compliment each other. It's also nice to be able to use them as monitors, or in my case as of late, my bass rig speakers. I have always been partial to to EV speakers. There just something about their clarity that has always pleased my ears.

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                            • #44
                              Look for a Bose L1 Model1 /Classic. 4 independent inputs ( 500 watts Model1 ,Classic 750 watts) you'll need at least 1 B1 bass speaker . You can find them on Ebay for between $1000-$1400 with 1 and sometimes 2 B1 ( they have discontinued the Model 1 so they are a great deal). I have a L1 Model 1 with 2 B1s and its works great for small to medium Gigs(I use it with a 4 piece Classic Rock ,Rb band). I also have the A&H Zed10FX and it's a great little board you can pick one up at MF or GC and used there 15% off coupon.The other L1 are the Compact L1 just 6 speakers 130 Watts or the the Model1s 12 speakers 250 watts The L1 Model 2 is their most expensive but still 500 Watts check out Prices at MF or Ebay.

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                              • #45
                                The crossover points on the Model 1/ Classic is 180 Hz on Model 2 & 1S is 200Hz.

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