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  • #16
    Oh okay, so what are you planning to mix with this active rig? and how big are the rooms? also how's the pay on your music scene?
    Might consider the return on your investment.
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    95% of my paid work is for a function/covers band playing typical dance classics through to modern top 40. I also mix for my church and use my own gear. So its all real music (no electronica). I mix off a soundcraft fx16, shure mics etc. I've got a pair of mrx which will be monitors now.

    Return on investment.... Hmmmm... I earn about $220 a night. I dont have all that much work but i dont really chase it. I know that there are groups out there charging a lot more for sound services.

    If i stopped upgrading, my business would be much more profitable... Essentially i spend my earnings on gear... What can i say? Gear slut... Lol.

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    • #17
      Went with the ev... Tops only at this stage with subs to follow. Happy with it but i'll obviously have a better picture after some live use. I figured worst case if im not happy they become foldbacks like for zeromus

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      • #18
        Went with the ev... Tops only at this stage with subs to follow. Happy with it but i'll obviously have a better picture after some live use. I figured worst case if im not happy they become foldbacks like for zeromus


        Well there ago they can dub and wedges, anyway just a heads up the poly plastic coating they spray on them is paper thin and scratches really easy so baby them if don't don't get covers for them.

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        • #19
          Well there ago they can dub and wedges, anyway just a heads up the poly plastic coating they spray on them is paper thin and scratches really easy so baby them if don't don't get covers for them.


          Planning on getting some. The shop didnt have them or even know the product number.

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          • #20
            Planning on getting some. The shop didnt have them or even know the product number.


            Well good luck with new speakers and I'm with Age about Djs reviews I just pass them off because their not dealing with mics scatter all over the stage and instrument blasting away at the vocal mics. Nothing personal against Djs just a different gig then live music.

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            • #21
              Just out of curiosity, why did you rule out the DSR's and QSC's?
              With Greater Knowledge Comes Greater Understanding

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              • #22
                Appreciate the thoughts - You do prefer the JBL though? Is it just preference or is it actually a better product? Cheers.


                I believe the EVs have a better high end reproduction. I can say that, having heard two of them sitting side by side and A/Bing them. To my ears, the EV sounded more "crisp". The JBLs have a but stronger midrange punch. I know these are difficult things to quantify. As far as subs, I have no experience with the EV subs, only the JBL PRX618S-XLF. I love the way they sound, though we had one thermal at a gig before we bought the second one -- possibly being driven too hard for too long, but the limiter wasn't lighting up. Haven't had it happen since. The JBLs get significantly hotter on their backplates but this is likely by design.

                We did run into a low power issue at a venue where we have a remarkably low voltage available to us, and the EVs died out while the JBLs kept on chugging. I'm guessing the power section is a bit beefier in the JBLs. They were all on the same circuit.

                I believe that both manufacturers did several things "right" and several things "wrong". The input section on the EV is far superior to the JBL with regards to plugging in various items. The EVs have a high pass built in, whereas the JBLs appear to simply have two built-in EQ settings for "mains" or "monitors" and let their subs do the HPFing. The JBLs are too easy to accidentally switch between line and mic level inputs, which will result in a hell of a squeal if someone hits it when nobody's looking. The JBL has a two-angle speaker pole mount and fly points, while the EV simply has a single pole mount and feet on the bottom. The JBLs have feet on the angled (monitor) side, while the EV doesn't. The EV's paint is very thin and easily scratched/rubbed off; the JBL seems more durable. The EV has a switch to disable the front lights for times where the speakers should be hidden, while the JBLs have an always-on blue light on the front.

                None of these are major problems, but simple annoyances that could have been resolved to make a significantly better cabinet on both their ends.

                We went with JBL mains because, since we run for weddings and other larger corporate type events, the JBL name is more easily conveyed to a clueless client, and the speakers and subs all match and look good. Our speakers all live in flight cases, so they stay looking decent anyway, but having the tops and subs match was an important detail. If it wasn't, I'd likely have sold the JBL tops, grabbed some EV tops, and pocketed the difference in cash.

                I again will say that, between the two, I don't think there's a $2,000 difference, and if that's the price difference, I'd be going EV all the way.
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                • leehilder371
                  leehilder371 commented
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                  FYI the JBL tops and subs are designed to be paired up to a DBX DriveRack PA+ as both of these brands are Harman owned and the driverack come with all the tunings and crossover / limiter settings for these boxes but will also automatically tune your speakers to the room no questions asked.

                • mshifflett
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                  Our small system consists of 4 of the ELX112P tops and 4 of the ELX118P subs.  We always use them in pairs and have pushed the living crap out of them with no issues at all.  The tops sound great to me, and looking at them with an anlyzer they show nearly flat out of the box.  The subs are okay, but nothing special.  They are single front-loaded 18's so you can't expect tremendous bass.  They get the job done though and you can tighten them up pretty nicely if you know what you are doing.  We have 4 more of the tops that we use, along with the others, for wedges when we are running one of our larger systems and they are wonderful.  We have had a couple of people look at them and kind of put their nose up but then after their show they comment on how clear they were and how well they could hear everything.  I bought covers for mine since the rumor about the coating is very true.  I haven't had any issues with them going thermal, even in the sun.  Although I try to keep the heat sync out of direct sunlight, it just makes sense.  And you absolutely don't need any other processing to make them sound good. 


              • #23
                Just out of curiosity, why did you rule out the DSR's and QSC's?


                the qsc ks i didnt think sounded quite as solid as the others. They were crisp on the highs. But just sounded less beefy on some songs. Hard to quantify. Plus, although i liked the size of their subs, i would have needed 4. To really get enough bottom end.

                As for the dsrs, i only heard them once and i really didnt like the highs in them. Funny, to me they sounded a bit like clubs. I know a lot of guys dont mind the clubs but to me theres always something about them when i hear them in store that sounds harsh. I've a couple of times gone to a store planning to buy clubs (as recently as last year) and been put off by the horn in them. Im not sure what it is cos they do tend to sound good in use. Plus the dsr sub i think was 42kg which is a little bit heavy for my liking to lift at the end of the night.

                Just my opinions - i know obviously others will disagree.

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                • #24
                  I bought 6 of the ELX speakers and have put a fair amount of gigs on them. they do sound nice. smooth, they get loud. good input panel, utility wise. light weight. I have used them as mains and monitors. a few issues though; the coating and build in general is on the edge of being pretty budget. OK, you should put them in speaker bags if you get them. I had an XLR stick in one of my ELX112, the pin inside the combi jack broke. 2nd gig. one of my ELX115 XLR inputs doesnt work period. I know someone mentioned his ELX thermal'ed out and shut down on him when out in the sun. That has happened to me 4 times now. I have been making white paper shields if the panel is in the direct sun. my QSC HPR have never shut down on me.. Hmmm..

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                  • #25
                    I just did a outdoor party with mine this past weekend.
                    112's over 118's the EV's did very well for us. About 200 people, 2 kegs,175 jello shots, a StarWars themed wedding. Ran pretty hard from 20pm to 100pm, not a single hiccup and lots of compliments. And silly people!
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                    • #26
                      the qsc ks i didnt think sounded quite as solid as the others. They were crisp on the highs. But just sounded less beefy on some songs. Hard to quantify. Plus, although i liked the size of their subs, i would have needed 4. To really get enough bottom end.

                      As for the dsrs, i only heard them once and i really didnt like the highs in them. Funny, to me they sounded a bit like clubs. I know a lot of guys dont mind the clubs but to me theres always something about them when i hear them in store that sounds harsh. I've a couple of times gone to a store planning to buy clubs (as recently as last year) and been put off by the horn in them. Im not sure what it is cos they do tend to sound good in use. Plus the dsr sub i think was 42kg which is a little bit heavy for my liking to lift at the end of the night.

                      Just my opinions - i know obviously others will disagree.


                      Thanks!

                      When I was auditioning speakers, I thought the QSC's were a little weaker than the rest of the pack too. I absolutely heard the harshness you are describing with the DSR's, but when I compared each speaker with the best channel eq I could get (I used a presonus mixer at GC with a channel for each speaker I was testing with), the DSR's really shined. They didn't have EV's at the time which was a real downer for me since I really wanted to audition these.

                      The honest truth is that in a live setting with the right equalization, it would be quite difficult to tell the difference between the new crop powered tops. They are all pretty good stuff.
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                      • #27
                        You don't need a drive rack with any of these systems. The digital EQ is nice but using an external crossover/management system is not something I'd recommend.

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                        • ChiroVette
                          ChiroVette commented
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                          Not only that, but wouldn't a mixer like the SL 24.4.2, with its 8 31-band Graphic EQ's render even the DBX's EQ pointless?


                      • #28
                        No sir, not laughing behind your back (though if you keep your misinformation and argument up YOU may create this situation yourself), just providing factual information to correct your incorrect assumption. I suggest that you read the features section (for lay folks) that discusses the dsp portion of the produce.

                        Since I service this stuff, I have service and support docs. that clearly show the dsp and I have done enough analysis to be confident my information is correct and very accurate in every detail.
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                        • leehilder371
                          leehilder371 commented
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                          agedhorse wrote:
                          No sir, not laughing behind your back (though if you keep your misinformation and argument up YOU may create this situation yourself), just providing factual information to correct your incorrect assumption. I suggest that you read the features section (for lay folks) that discusses the dsp portion of the produce.

                          Since I service this stuff, I have service and support docs. that clearly show the dsp and I have done enough analysis to be confident my information is correct and very accurate in every detail.

                          Had I have known your experience I would have not posted that comment, sorry and please continue for my and everyone's benifit :smileyembarrassed:


                      • #29
                        Not as easy of a question as it seems...

                        First of all, in order for the performance to be the same, the processing must be the same and thx driver compliment must be the same. The drivers are different, I haven't tested the 400 but wih the weight being considerably higher (plux the weight of thd amp) makes equal performance pretty much impossible IF weight is part of the performance package.

                        Then, there's the difference in processing between the XTi and what's on board the PRX-600 series. Not just the parameter data but also what's available (such as 8th order filters, specific dynamics).
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                        • #30
                          PRX 400 series is unpowered - it is a replacement for the old MRX 500 series.

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