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    Mr. B has left the building
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  • #2
    Explanation from Behringer
    http://forum.behringer.com/showthrea...-Guitar-Center

    What is says below -

    After 20 years, Guitar Center recently decided to terminate our relationship. Frankly, it became increasingly difficult to do business with GC as they sought to increase their profits, which would have forced us to increase our prices to you. We didn’t agree.

    25 years ago, Uli Behringer founded our Company on the principle of offering products at “Double the Experience for Half the Price”. Because Uli was a struggling musician himself, he made it his mission in life to offer amazing products at amazing prices, so YOU can fulfill your musical dreams. This will never change.

    We thank you for all your loyalty and support. You guys are wonderful!

    We'd also like to thank all of our independent dealers who share our vision that customers are #1.

    Joe Sanborn
    Senior Manager, Marketing Communications
    MUSIC Group
    BEHRINGER
    www.nextexitrocks.com

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    • #3
      And Guitar Center's side of the story.... as you might expect, the complete opposite of Behringer's.

      http://www.musicincmag.com/News/2014...140519_GC.html

      Meh, 2 companies that have pillaged their way through 2 decades. One has succeeded (B), the other may not be long for the world (GC). Oh well, enjoy GC center shelves not full of the absolute cheapest thing while you can!
      Last edited by abzurd; 07-30-2014, 08:39 PM.
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      • #4
        One more thing. I just found an article about GC. It's a good read, IMO. - http://www.ericgarland.co/2014/03/29/parasite-economy/
        www.nextexitrocks.com

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        • #5
          Originally posted by abzurd View Post
          One more thing. I just found an article about GC. It's a good read, IMO. - http://www.ericgarland.co/2014/03/29/parasite-economy/

          Wow that's fascinating. The question I have is "How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys?". In other words he calls for a boycott of companies owned by greedy hard core bottom line corporate weenies but without a lot of deep research, how can you know?

          Great read though Thanks!
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          • #6
            Does anyone actually believe that either Behringer or GC wouldn't seek "to increase their profits"? That's not a reason to sever a business relationship. But it's no surprise that they'd try to pull the "we're looking out for YOU" line.

            Here's some interesting dialog that includes people who used to work for GC/MF:
            http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index....,150038.0.html
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            • #7

              Originally posted by Dogoth View Post


              Wow that's fascinating. The question I have is "How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys?". In other words he calls for a boycott of companies owned by greedy hard core bottom line corporate weenies but without a lot of deep research, how can you know?

              Great read though Thanks!
              You can't know without a lot of deep research and a little luck. It's set up that way on purpose.
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              • #8
                I read both....sure is a lot of grey area. But bottom line is WFC's?

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                • #9
                  You guys might want to borrow some muck boots when reading either side of the argument

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                  • #10
                    Oh don't get me wrong...there's BS a-plenty from both camps. And sadly both will suffer because of their failure to agree to and abide by terms.
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                    • #11
                      If I had to guess by reading between the lines, I'd say Behringer probably wanted to shorten "days to pay". GC feared putting B on more favorable terms would be suicide as other vendors would demand the same terms, else everyone is letting B cut to the head of the line at the bank. In this case you can't really blame either party. B wants to be paid and GC is in debt up to their eyeballs and can't suddenly come up with a large cash payment to shorten the payment cycle. With the amount of B gear they move, I would imagine just shortening the cycle on just B would be a huge outlay. If they suddenly go from 60 days to 30 days net, for instance, there would be a lump sum extra month of all B gear due. So GC calls B's bluff and B doesn't budge..... stalemate.

                      All of that was pure conjecture, but if Behringer is selling at every other major chain in the USA, you have to assume their terms are not that unreasonable. After all, other vendors have boycotted B before, for different reasons in the past (Sweetwater for quality issues about 10 years ago). You do have to know when to get off the gravy train and being the first one off isn't necessarily a bad thing. I would imagine there are a lot of MI companies out there with pretty shaky balance sheets (Mackie for instance) and GC going under with several months outstanding, would be a big blow.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Craig Vecchione View Post
                        Does anyone actually believe that either Behringer or GC wouldn't seek "to increase their profits"?

                        Well, in some instances increased profits for one is going to come at the expense of the other. But I suspect abzurd is correct here that this is probably about terms. I would imagine Behringer's profit margins are pretty low and they make it up in volume. In that case they need the cash flow provided by short net terms.

                        GC wants longer terms because they don't have cash. That makes the most sense. Seems they are just circling the drain at this point. Behringer probably knows this and figures GC isn't going to be selling their stuff much longer anyhow....

                        And yes...if I was selling gear to GC on terms, I'd want as little receivable outstanding with them as possible. Not getting paid after they file bankruptcy isn't going to be fun for any of their vendors.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by guido61 View Post

                          Well, in some instances increased profits for one is going to come at the expense of the other. But I suspect abzurd is correct here that this is probably about terms. I would imagine Behringer's profit margins are pretty low and they make it up in volume. In that case they need the cash flow provided by short net terms.

                          GC wants longer terms because they don't have cash. That makes the most sense. Seems they are just circling the drain at this point. Behringer probably knows this and figures GC isn't going to be selling their stuff much longer anyhow....

                          And yes...if I was selling gear to GC on terms, I'd want as little receivable outstanding with them as possible. Not getting paid after they file bankruptcy isn't going to be fun for any of their vendors.

                          While it's always possible GC could go bankrupt, I think there's money to be made by playing the corporate money shift game that's been going on for years now. If it wasn't working for all involved, it wouldn't be happening. And there wouldn't be much loss for a big corp like Behringer if GC did suddenly go under...a few containers of merchandise isn't going to make or break Music Group, and most of the loss would be written off or could be insured.
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                          • #14
                            Well looked up what employees are saying at Glassdoor and easily one of the worst companies I have ever seen for disgruntled employees. Here is a typical post. Most liked coworkers but thought management was the worst.

                            ~2 people found this helpful
                            “The worst mistake of my life.”
                            Anonymous Employee (Former Employee)


                            Pros – Really awesome co-workers. The people who work there are great. For the most part. Watch for spies.
                            Cons – Uli Behringer is a sociopath, plain and simple. Seriously, you can't imagine how awful it is to work with this nutcase. Rapid turnover. You might have a job and get fired for no reason weeks later. It happens A LOT.
                            Advice to Senior Management – Uli, go stick your head in a blender you psycho.
                            No, I would not recommend this company to a friend
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                            • #15
                              Yeah, I was going to avoid mentioning any of the employee comments I've found over the years there. While it's way more common for those sites to be populated with the disgruntled, I agree that I've rarely seen people hate the CEO as they do Uli.
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