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Kurzweill PC 361 (sell it or throw it in the river!)

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  • Kurzweill PC 361 (sell it or throw it in the river!)

    A keyboard player friend of mine, plays in two bands with me and about 6 months ago, he bought a Kurzweill and he is just not happy with it. He has a $300.00 Yamaha that has a better piano and string sound. Now surely the Kurzweill has a better string and piano sound than this $300.00 keyboard. After listening to the Kurzweill on u tube it sounds fantastic. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to get the good piano and string sound on this thing? PS. I have already saved this keyboard from going into a pond we were playing near a couple of weeks ago. My friend is pretty disgusted with it! He emailed the engineer at Kurzweill already and he was about as helpful as a blind man giving directions. If it sound like we not happy with the sound, you would be right! We are pleading, to help keep the keyboard from going to the nearest garage sale or river. If we can't get this thing straightened out, is there anything out there that has a good piano and string with horn sound in it, up to a $1000.00 or less he can purchase? For organ he just ordered the Hammond X1 or XK1?. Thanks for the help and for the opportunity to vent here..

  • #2
    The presets on the PC3 are very good already. Suggestion on how to get a good sound out of it? JUST PICK ANY PRESET AND PLAY. Come on, it's not that difficult.

    It's rather easy to just fault the keyboard, but what amp is he using? Any outboard gear? Can he actually play?

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    • #3
      Piano: Preset 4 - Horowitz Grand.

      Strings and orchestrals? The best in business!

      Hammonds are great as well.

      Your friend -

      I think your friend is playing it through a bad amp (Behringer, eh?). Kurzweil sounds fantastic (WHEN PLAYED THROUGH PROPER AMPLIFICATION!), and I bet your friend is deaf on one ear or something.
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      • #4
        He is a good player 40 years or there about. Our front house is qsc k2 sys. used different monitors not much difference. would running st. or mono make a big difference. Thanks for the response Guys.

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        • #5
          Something here sounds off. I agree that a Hammond XK1 organ is better than Kurz's, but otherwise the Kurzweil should rule. I echo Tomkeen's worry about outboard gear, or something bad in the signal chain? Or perhaps you're PA is mono, but you're feeding it stereo signals, and one side is getting lost? Or maybe phase cancellation?

          Also, try plugging headphones directly into the synth. If it sounds terribly wrong, then maybe the keyboard is broken. If it sounds ok, then you need to troubleshoot down the line.

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          • #6
            I tried to get onto the Kurzweil train, I really did. Ordered the PC3LE, thinking "O.K., Peter Gabriel uses these damn things. They must be good". What I failed to realize at the time was that they virtually kidnapped a professional Kurzweil programmer for their tour.

            Are the pianos and orchestral sounds more realistic than those of other ROMplers? Perhaps. Do they sit in my mix as well? Nope. And the sounds that were there did not make me want to go to school on the VAST architecture.

            Went to the Motif XS7 and did not look back.
            Yamaha Motif XS7 / Roland JP-8000 / MicroKorg XL / Takamine GN30CE / Alesis iMultiMix 8 / Mackie TH15A Thumps / Epiphone Les Paul Studio Deluxe / Fender SuperChamp XD

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            • #7
              I agree that a Hammond XK1 organ is better than Kurz's


              Actually the core tonewheel sound that KB1 does in PC3 is splendid and in no way inferior to any other Hammond emulation. Even Leslie emulation is just fine, as its extremely tweakable. If it sounds wrong, then you just need to adjust the crossover frequency and/or rotor speeds, tweak the overdrive, or add EQ after it. Does wonders!
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              • #8
                Don't pollute rivers. I think the keyboard should end in a carboot sale. Preferably, somewhere near me.

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                • #9
                  Except they DO sit well in a mix. oke:



                  Actually my experience in a band setting is quite the opposite...compared to say Triton ( an inferior machine in all regards ) I have to spend a lot more time with PC3 to make it sit in the mix the way I want it.

                  I would recommend to the OPs friend to just get rid of it and switch to another board, if he cant find a decent piano or string sound on PC3 then there is no sense in keeping it, it obviously doesnt really cater to his tastes.

                  This is my first Kurzweil and I have to say that even after two years of playing it Im still floored by the sounds and the sheer playability of the board ( and it is gods gift for studio work ), so Im kinda baffled by the fact that someone would prefer a $300 yammie... So, take a look at the other boards in the same ballpark and good luck
                  <div class="signaturecontainer">Two wrongs dont make a right, but three lefts do.<br />
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                  • #10
                    Tritons (or for that matter all Korgs) are all top-boosted so they naturally cut through any mix.

                    Kurzweils are a bit more work in that regard, but they can blend in quite well.
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                    • #11
                      I know, Im just pointing out that for someone who needs a board that will work without spending some time with it ( and I can relate to that, especially when you are juggling 4 bands, all different genres and need things to work FAST because time is the issue and time means money ) PC3 might seem like a poor and frustrating choice. We both know people who wouldnt touch the PC3 just because they deem it too complicated and they are by no means stupid or bad players... Practicality is the king...
                      <div class="signaturecontainer">Two wrongs dont make a right, but three lefts do.<br />
                      <br />
                      Gear: Kurzweil PC3x, Korg Triton Pro, Korg N5EX, Korg Wavestation</div>

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                      • #12
                        If it doesn't, just apply EQ at the end of FX chain. Does wonders for breaking through any kind of mix.


                        XS7; no doctoring required for me.
                        Yamaha Motif XS7 / Roland JP-8000 / MicroKorg XL / Takamine GN30CE / Alesis iMultiMix 8 / Mackie TH15A Thumps / Epiphone Les Paul Studio Deluxe / Fender SuperChamp XD

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                        • #13
                          XS7; no doctoring required for me.


                          Well, judging from Yammie interfaces, even if you needed some doctoring you wouldnt be able to find where to do it so...





                          J/K
                          <div class="signaturecontainer">Two wrongs dont make a right, but three lefts do.<br />
                          <br />
                          Gear: Kurzweil PC3x, Korg Triton Pro, Korg N5EX, Korg Wavestation</div>

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                          • #14
                            I've never had any problems cutting through with the PC3x. I've used it in several different settings, and it always sounds amazing. Even the other guys have noticed it, and that's saying something.

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                            • #15
                              I was talking to my friend and he told me, if his Kurzweil sounded half as good as a Trident ( sorry I'm sure I spelled this wrong) he would be happy. His reference meaning, when he heard me in an other band with the same PA, another guy played a Rolland and a Trident, they sounded awesome. Nothing like his Kurzweil. Here is a hint, the keys don't seem to have any sustain on the piano. I think he's going to have to get on here and give a little more detail. I'm just relating and not doing a very good job at that. Thanks to all of you for being understanding, I really appreciate it. I won't give up. I really believe the sounds are there it's just finding the solution.

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