Members Etienne Rambert Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 The KORG Forum is lit up about this. Is KARMA is coming to the Motif? http://www.yamaha.com/namm/w2011/details.html?CTID=5096620 Wow! Think about the implications of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k2500x Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Well if it's on the Yamaha NAMM news site it's as good as confirmed: KARMA software now works with MOTIF. I wonder if this also confirms we WON'T be seeing KARMA features on the Korg KRONOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k2500x Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 GOOD KARMA: KARMA-LAB RELEASES SOFTWARE FOR THE YAMAHA MOTIF XS AND XF Cross-Platform KARMA Motif Software to Be Released at Winter NAMM 2011 BUENA PARK, Calif. Yamaha and Karma-Lab announces the development and release of KARMA Motif Software for PC and Mac. This new entry in the renowned developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k2500x Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Won't be out until April or later. Kinda deflates the announcement for me. They should have waited for Messe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Won't be out until April or later. Kinda deflates the announcement for me. They should have waited for Messe. Winter NAMM is still the biggest MI trade show. Also, manufacturers usually are never ready to ship products they announce at Winter NAMM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DINpluggedIN Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Won't be out until April or later. Kinda deflates the announcement for me. They should have waited for Messe. I suspect that Yamaha wouldn't mind heading off a few potential Korg sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conbrio Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Won't be out until April or later. Kinda deflates the announcement for me. Kinda odd really. I can understand hardware not being available to ship until 3-6 moths down the road, but if the software is ready & working at NAMM, what's the holdup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 I work writing software. It's not always ready when the marketing people want it ready, just like hardware. Software needs to be "manufactured" too (or written, tested and dubugged, in this case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bruto Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 That's cool with me. If there's one shortfall on the Motif, it's that it doesn't have a badass VA. Now they do. Hopefully, it will be included on the MO series too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members asynchro_nous Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 So the Motif would have to be connected to a computer running the software for this to fly, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k2500x Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Kinda odd really. I can understand hardware not being available to ship until 3-6 moths down the road, but if the software is ready & working at NAMM, what's the holdup? Easy... They will show only the working features at the demo. Seems a bit of desperation is involved on Yamaha's part. Maybe they just needed SOMETHING to counteract the force that is KRONOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DINpluggedIN Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Kinda odd really. I can understand hardware not being available to ship until 3-6 moths down the road, but if the software is ready & working at NAMM, what's the holdup? Conjecture: Perhaps due to terms of contract with Korg. The Korg KARMA Workstation was introduced at the 2001 Winter NAMM, and maybe Kay and Korg had an agreement that for 10 years there would be no competition. Anyone know what month in 2001 the KARMA was initially available to the public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wackawa Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 So the Motif would have to be connected to a computer running the software for this to fly, right? Thats how it works with M3, Triton, etc, so I would assume the same to be true here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomkeen Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 That's cool with me. If there's one shortfall on the Motif, it's that it doesn't have a badass VA. Now they do. Hopefully, it will be included on the MO series too. KARMA is not a VA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conbrio Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 So the Motif would have to be connected to a computer running the software for this to fly, right? Yes. However, to address Wackawa's post--the M3 (and the Oasys) don't need any external computer to use KARMA features--it's built-in. The Triton would require a computer connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 That's cool with me. If there's one shortfall on the Motif, it's that it doesn't have a badass VA. Now they do. Hopefully, it will be included on the MO series too. Except KARMA is not VA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conbrio Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Seems a bit of desperation is involved on Yamaha's part. Maybe they just needed SOMETHING to counteract the force that is KRONOS? I'm sure KARMA for Motif XS/XF has been in development for awhile. I doubt Yamaha heard about KRONOS any sooner than the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Megakazbek Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Perhaps due to terms of contract with Korg. The Korg KARMA Workstation was introduced at the 2001 Winter NAMM, and maybe Kay and Korg had an agreement that for 10 years there would be no competition. I remember Stephen saying on some forum (Korg or Karma Lab) that Karma was never exclusive to Korg. There already is Karma software for OpenLabs.The obvious explanation for delay is that Karma software version that they will show at NAMM is probably not final yet (not all features are done, not all bugs are fixed, sound programming is unfinished, etc), after all it's a new version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Pro Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Best news of the day. I can only imagine what a Karma-enabled Motif XS/XF will sound like. Count me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'd like to see a return to motif based VAs, the PLG-an200 sounded excellent through the older motif. Amazing even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k2500x Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm sure KARMA for Motif XS/XF has been in development for awhile. I doubt Yamaha heard about KRONOS any sooner than the rest of us. I have no doubt it's been in development for a while. I was just suggesting one possible reason why they are showing the software now. Even though, at best, it's not going to be ready for 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Yes. However, to address Wackawa's post--the M3 (and the Oasys) don't need any external computer to use KARMA features--it's built-in. The Triton would require a computer connection. To expand further.. KARMA is a very deep Generated Effects system. On a simpler side some very basic ARP's would need hook up to a PC to config as it is asking allot of the M3 to have full edit capability...(assuming the preloaded GE's were not always exactly what you wanted). I am not up to date on that latest but I know Mr Kay was a little sad that Korg's hardware was not able to fully exploit editing when the M3 was first released. Some items like drum rolls are easier to programme on other solutions. KARMA GE's can blow midi to the point it would be difficult to record the information generated. That's good (it can be very complex and deep) and bad (you will not always be able to record midi fully to repeat a performance and tweak timing if your patience and hardware can not handle it). Given some KARMA GE's are made with random generations, repeating an exact performance may be impossible for those types of GE. KARMA is best edited on a PC for full control. Having an OASYS or M3 gave a lot of live control over GE's. It is great the way Korg and Mr Kay worked together to make compatible hardware. Every synth with a midi connector can benefit from pure KARMA software as I understand it... There is a learning curve to fully exploit it. The results will not always be to taste if you prefer simpler stuff... Mr Kay was inspired when he found it a pain to program harp glissando's he knew the world needed something very clever.. the rest is history.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members asynchro_nous Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Thats how it works with M3, Triton, etc, so I would assume the same to be true here. My M3 doesn't work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Meatball Fulton Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 if the software is ready & working at NAMM, what's the holdup? More rigorous testing needed, what else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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