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  • #61
    Thanks for the review.
    I just Record & Reason in the mail yesterday.

    real nice software.
    Peace & Love, Lord Toranaga.

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    • #62
      Thanks for the review.
      I just Record & Reason in the mail yesterday.

      real nice software.


      Agreed!! Please share your experiences with us. Have you used Reason before, or are you new to the entire package?
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      • #63
        I have been using akai mpc and ableton for last five years, befor that it was cubase 5VST and akai s3000xl.


        I have used reason, only as a demo.
        I am a long time Recycle user, from the days of scsi samplers.
        I have always like the "cheesy" virtual cables, of reason.
        I can relate to the graphics.

        my one gripe with reason for years was no audio.
        they could of made a virtual vsr-880 or something, but no. so be it.


        when record was released, I was interested.
        found a great deal on ebay. $250 for reason & Record = no brainer
        much cheaper, than the upgrade to Live-8


        I have not had a chance to dig in yet,
        but I am ready to get to work.


        what a wonderful virtual studio.
        not intimidating at all, easy to use without the manual
        Peace & Love, Lord Toranaga.

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        • #64
          I've been checking out the Line 6 guitar and bass amp/cabinet sims, and to say they're vital to Record is an understatement: They're crucial if you want to add guitar parts without going through an amp and miking (or going direct through processors). There's also the Scream 4 distortion, which is quite versatile but I think it comes into its own for guitar only when put in a Combinator with some EQ, delay, and other "guitar-friendly" effects. But yes, you can get some fine guitar sounds; I'll be programming Combinator patches later today or tonight, and will post them here as attachments for other guitar-playing Record fans.

          [edit: see the next post from PFRfan, where it turns out I can indeed open up POD Farm presets within Record]

          However, I also ran into a limitation of Record's "closed system," which until now had not been an issue. My "signature" guitar setup these days is a Gibson Dark Fire, with each of the hex string outputs and magnetic pickup outputs processed through individual signal processors. Record can handle the multiple outputs without problems, but an important component of my sound is using octave dividers on the bottom three strings to get thundering bass+guitar unison lines, as well as to fill out the bottom end of chords. But, there's no octave divider effect in either Record or Reason, so there's simply no way I can get this sound.

          Now, I realize that my setup is relevant to probably only 0.00000000000000001% of all guitar players, and few will find this a limitation. But, it does point out that the compromises Record makes in order to optimize stability and efficiency can affect esoteric applications unique to particular players.

          Given that Propellerheads and Line 6 have a relationship, I'd love to see Record 2.0 (or Record 1.01, I'm not picky!) be able to tap into the effects in POD Farm, or even include selected POD Farm effects within Record. I realize the program is called Record, not Guitar Rig , but having some guitar-oriented effects avaiable would really complete the package for guitarists. And as I've mentioned in other contexts, the Line 6 effects are also excellent for whacking out other signal sources, like drums.

          Anyway, it's time to get back to creating some Combinator guitar patches.
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          • #65
            Craig, Record actually DOES play the POD Farm effects (assuming POD Farm is installed), but you can't adjust the settings inside of Record. Any preset you save in POD Farm can be opened in the Line 6 module in Record and will play with all of the effects included. But you can only tweak the amp settings when have dials on Record's Line 6 panel.

            A workaround is to leave POD Farm open, make the changes there, then open the newly saved patch in Record. It's needlessly difficult, but it works. I agree that since they're already collaborating with Line 6, they should just come up a way to put POD Farm inside of Record with all of the options. They'd need to change up the UI, but there's no reason it can't be done.

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            • #66
              Craig, Record actually DOES play the POD Farm effects (assuming POD Farm is installed), but you can't adjust the settings inside of Record. Any preset you save in POD Farm can be opened in the Line 6 module in Record and will play with all of the effects included.


              If anyone still wonders why I Pro Reviews...that's GREAT news!!!! It's probably in the manual but I haven't run across that yet.

              I'll still make some nice combi presets for y'all, but I'm glad to know that I can use my signature sounds with Record

              Keep monitoring this thread, PFRfan! Thanks again.
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              • #67
                If anyone still wonders why I Pro Reviews...that's GREAT news!!!!


                I've been following these reviews for years. Never needed to chime in because somebody always asks the question I would have anyway. But I love these reviews as well. You're such a good communicator that I read any review with your name on it regardless of whether or not I have any interest in the product!

                I'm really drawn to Record, but having never been in a studio before, the stacks of modules and mixer are just so overwhelming. I think I can adjust to that, but I really don't like my MIDI being stuck inside of Record with no way out. I usually do my drums with V-Drums triggering EZ Drummer or Superior. I've thought about using Reason with the Drum Kits Refill, but I can't tell how it handles variable Hi-Hats. I love being able to play realistic hi-hats using the pedal (not that they're GOOD - just realistically bad because I'm not a good player), and I'd hate for that to get lost inside of Record.

                I know that it's slightly off-topic, but it's the only thing that's actually keeping me from purchasing. So if anybody can tell me that I can trigger some variations in the hats via pedal when using the Drum Refill, I'll probably drop my other DAW infatuations and commit to Record.

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                • #68
                  Craig, Record actually DOES play the POD Farm effects (assuming POD Farm is installed), but you can't adjust the settings inside of Record.


                  This is nice because you can use the POD's preamp models on things like vocals or live-miked instruments or whatever. I can't judge the quality of POD's recreations of things like API preamps because I don't have the real thing to compare it to, but it seems like it might be useful for coloration. And, of course, you can go back and change preamp models after you've recorded a track if you want to experiment with different sounds.
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                  • #69
                    This is turning into quite the Pro-review.
                    Lots of great input from people also and the usual high quality and attention to detail review I've come to expect from Craig Anderton.
                    So many thanks for this review indeed.
                    Much appreciated and very much enjoyed.
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                    • #70
                      I have read reports of external sync errors.

                      can any one confirm?
                      Peace & Love, Lord Toranaga.

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                      • #71
                        I have read reports of external sync errors.

                        can any one confirm?


                        Can you please be more specific? As in synching external MIDI devices to Record, or inability to follow certain types of sync, or...?
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                        • #72
                          Let's look at how you'd build up effects within an audio track; we'll use guitar as an example, and create a chunky rhythm guitar sound.

                          First of all, I confirmed that you can indeed load existing POD Farm presets, but you can also load GearBox patches. So, those who have been Line 6 fans for a while will find that all the sounds they've developed are available within Record. Nice!!

                          The first attached image shows the start of the setup: There's an audio track, and the "pseudo-Combinator" that's within each audio track; the Programmer Section and Insert FX sections are both unfolded so that they're visible, and the Line 6 Guitar Amp is the first effect inserted in the FX section. I've loaded the "Achtung Tone" patch just to prove you really can load GearBox patches, but we'll load a Record-specific patch for the benefit of those who don't have other Line 6 software installed.

                          Moving right along, let's add a Compressor and pre-Compressor Parametric EQ (second attached image). Note that the EQ is notching out a big slice o' frequencies around 2kHz so that the high and low frequencies are compressed more than the midrange. This takes some of the "fizz" out of the highs, and smoothes out the sound.

                          Now, let's add some spring reverb. We'll put in the RV7000, open up the programmer, and choose a spring algorithm. I want a fairly short, restrained sound.

                          Next up: The MClass EQ. Here, I've added a gentle boost at 3.5kHz so the guitar "speaks" a little more clearly, a low-frequency rolloff to give more of an open-back (as opposed to closed-back) cabinet sound, and a high-frequency rolloff at around 10kHz to reduce any high-frequency "fizziness."

                          Referring to the third attached image, there's a 38ms delay added in the left channel (and no delay in the right channel) to spread the signal across the stereo field. As all that's needed is a single echo, there's no feedback, and the signal is set for 100% Wet so that there's no dry component in the delayed signal, which would reduce the stereo image.

                          The fourth attached image flips the rack around, so you can see the patch cords in action, and how the effects are patched.

                          Finally, because I've used delay to spread the signal into stereo, it's important to make sure there isn't any cancellation or other phase issues in mono. So, the fifth attached image shows the mixer width control set fully counter-clockwise in order to check the sound in mono.

                          And there's our cool rhythm guitar patch.
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                          • #73
                            And of course, you want to hear what it sounds like, right? So, the attached audio example plays about 30 seconds of the rhythm guitar sound that was just created. I didn't include any drums or anything so you could really hear the guitar sound in isolation.

                            If you like the sound, I've also attached the Combi patch as a zip file so you can use it in your own projects. Have fun!
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                            • #74
                              Reason was always one of my favorite laptop applications, although between the latency of using an internal sound card with Windows machines and the inability to play notes in real time, there was a level of frustration as well.

                              The latency/audio interface problem was solved with ASIO4ALL, and later, with the CEntrance MicPort Pro, which has a nice headphone interface and low latency drivers. Then, I found the Bome Mouse Keyboard and shortly thereafter, Tanager's Chirp virtual keyboard (which gets a definite ).

                              But Record comes with an "on-screen keyboard," so I don't have to concern myself with accessory programs for it any more. It lets you play notes with either the mouse or the computer keyboard.

                              The first attached image shows the mouse keyboard. This is resizable up to the full 10 octaves, with a green overlay on a representation of the keyboard that shows which part of the keyboard is visible on-screen. You can drag this green strip to snap to different octaves of the keyboard. Of course you can't play chords, but it is "velocity-sensitive" (click on the lower part of the key for higher velocities), and you can simulate holding down a sustain pedal by holding Shift when entering notes.

                              Repeat is a very cool function, especially for people who like to edit or create patches (that would be me!). Whatever note you clicked on will repeat every quarter note, even if the mouse button is no longer being held down, as long as the Repeat box is checked. The Hold box means that any note you click on will hold as if you were holding the mouse button down, for as long as the hold box is checked.

                              The Computer Keys tab (second attached image) lets you use your computer's keyboard to trigger notes (including chords). It's limited to 18 notes, but you can drag the little green indicator around to cover a particular range of the keyboard, as well as use keys to shift octaves. There are the same sustain, Repeat, and Hold functions as the mouse-controlled version.

                              To enter different velocities, you can hold down number keys 1 through 0. The 1 and 2 keys produce a velocity value of 1 and 14 respectively, which I find too low to be useful - I would have preferred if the velocity range had been distributed over the keys with the lowest value being around 25-30. You can select velocity variation (none, light, medium, or heavy), which can help when entering multiple repetitive notes (e.g., drums, where you don't want the "machine gun" effect).

                              Overall, this is a feature I wish had been added to Reason years ago (and should definitely be in the next Reason update!!), and makes life much easier when using Record with a laptop. Good stuff.
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                              • #75

                                And there's our cool rhythm guitar patch.

                                Craig, thank you! For sure this patch will come in handy.

                                And now a bit of shameless self-promotion: The only reason I'm posting it here is because this track was recorded in its entirety using Record. My friend Kurt Kurasaki (author of Power Tools For Reason) set me up at his studio due south of me., and I played guitar and contrabass. Everything was done in the box, except I played through a custom-made amp (I can't remember who built it), plus we had an old Eventide Harmonizer. That's about it for outboard effects. The song is the royalty-free "What Child Is This" - perfectly seasonal, of course.

                                Happy Holidays to you all!

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                                Back to the review...

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