ok, this is kind of funny.........but, not really... I'm in a band where the Drummer

.....formed it back in the 80s or whatever ...... and the band has been through a few different versions over the years. ...

Well, the drummer decides to get the band back together, but he is the only original member ........ but he want to keep the original name of the band and be in control of everything........it's like HIS band !

It's not a bad band, but the drummer can't count ..... and when he screws up a break or ends on an uneven interval, I call him on it and he says ........'hey man, I just play by feel' .......

.... well .... his playing by feel is making us look like a bunch of amatures ..... so I have to look back at him and jump, or nod my head or scream 1,2,3,4!! so he knows when to break or end a song ....... I mean, it's ridiculous

..... then, he never clicks off or starts a song .... he just sits there and the guitars start and then he starts ..... same with endings .... the song will go on forever ...... the other guitar player likes to wank forever on a solo and it will go on forever unless I walk over and unplug him and then SCREAM at the drummer to END THE DAMN SONGGGGGggGG GG ! 1!! ! !

...... anyway, he does an awesome ending to Zeppelin's Rock and Roll !!

..... that will be all ......

Ummmmmmmm,...

Yeah. Ok. Calm down?

Chemistry, cooperation, and dedication are more important than musical talent. Sounds like your problems aren't limited to just the drummer.

I don't know what I would do if someone screamed 1,2,3,4 at the top of their lungs in the middle of a song on a gig. Or unplugged my guitar in the middle of a solo.

There's a very good chance that I may not bother to plug back in.

Are you sure it's the drummer trying to rule the band? Sounds like you're pretty aggressive in getting your way.

I think issues in the band are something to be handled off stage. In our group; we like to go out to eat right after a gig and talk through the performance. What went well, what needs improvement, and what we'll work on at the next rehearsal.

On stage; if you act like everything is cool I bet 90% of the audience will think it's cool too.

Hey Doc, for the benefit of mankind, sounds like you'll just have to kill him.

Sorry.

I jammed with a drummer similar. we were doing some motley crue stuff cause he was a big tommy lee fan.

So we were playing kickstart my heart or Dr. feelgood...some song...and there was a break or a change to a chorus...with a different beat, and we just stop and look at him cause he didnt change, and he goes, "dude you gotta tell me where the changes are."

As a drummer, isnt it basically the drummers job to cue the audience or band that there is a change by having a fill in there?

Or at least be able to count correctly that you change with everyone else?

I know everyone should know the song, but to me the purpose of a fill is to signal a change in tempo/beat or something...

the guy was an idiot...good skill, but got lost way to easily....

If the band is worth working with I suggest practicing, practicing, and practicing. And then work on your arrangements so they are consistent from night to night. As for counting off the song there is no rule that the drummer has to do this.

+1. However, someone MUST count it off, and everybody starts together. The guitars shouldn't just be starting up on their own without letting anybody know.

/w

With out a Doubt, like I said the drummer dosn't have to do this and as WillyRay said someone must.

i don't think i've ever seen so many emoticons in one post without it being a joke.

good thing i'm not epileptic...

um i think every time he posts here it is a joke.

yeah, you guys are taking him way too seriously...

dumb

Hey...if he can do an awesome ending to "Rock And Roll" that's all that should matter. It should more than make up for his minor problems like not being able to count.

hey tweedledee wots teh name of ur bnad is it like free jazz the way u pplay? lol

The drummer GENERALLY should be the guy that starts and sets the pace for a song ....... geez, you guys are drummers and don't know that?

I know that ...and I am a guitarist for the most part ... I do play drums too.. I mean, ok, some songs are started by the guitars, but in general SOMEBODY has to take control for the starts and endings of a song.... usually it is the drummer.

.... Basically, what it comes down to in my band is; all the guitarists listen to and learn the songs, and the drummer obviously doesn't. Ending a song on an uneven interval or missing the obvious breaks makes us look like loser amatures.

...... but we keep getting asked back to play gigs, so I guess we aren't too bad

Hey can you proofread your sig already?

Originally posted by Dr. Tweedbucket The drummer GENERALLY should be the guy that starts and sets the pace for a song ....... geez, you guys are drummers and don't know that? I know that ...and I am a guitarist for the most part ... I do play drums too.. I mean, ok, some songs are started by the guitars, but in general SOMEBODY has to take control for the starts and endings of a song.... usually it is the drummer. .... Basically, what it comes down to in my band is; all the guitarists listen to and learn the songs, and the drummer obviously doesn't. Ending a song on an uneven interval or missing the obvious breaks makes us look like loser amatures. ...... but we keep getting asked back to play gigs, so I guess we aren't too bad

see, when your audience consists of drunks, what does it matter? "YOU GUYZSH RAWK, MAN!!11! ... HAYYOUDOENNYSKINNERD?"

guitarists start of lot of the songs in my band, and it's ALWAYS an adventure ... apparently they're kin to your drummer.

that's true ...... nothing matters after the 2nd set .....

When my band first started my drummer was terrible at reading changes and endings. We'd jam out a song and it would go on forever, this kept up until I had to actually walk over and tell my drummer he's the one that dictates when a song ends. When we play I'd give him cues to end the song in the bassline but that took a million tries and usually I'd just stop playing before he realized the song was going on too long.

He's since then gotten good at reading changes, but his fills are way off time. Oh well, one thing at a time I guess.

why dont you fire him?

would you want a chef who couldnt slice properly?

d0OD ... that's what makes that "special" sauce "special".

no......it means you'll have a meal not properly made. if a drummer has any problems that cant be solved in a week, he should be fired

Thats a bit extreme. Although, I suppose its dictated by the circumstances. If your heading out on tour, or into the studio, then theres limited time and anyone who cant cut it needs to go. But its usually not like that.