Members lincoln40 Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 Do PRS wammy bars have a system that keeps them in tune, when you dive or go crazy with it? I noticed they dont have a locking nut or anything like a Floyd Rose. So I'm trying to figure out do they stay in tune, and if so, how did they find a system that stays in tune without a locknut. What is your experience with a PRS wammy bar. I only played their fixed bridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IamBurnout Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 Locking tuners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 I've never had any problems with dive bombing my Standard 24 or Custom 22.IMO the 24 with the trem sounds much better/snappier than the non-trems. I've owned both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyCorgan Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 Locking tuners. Yup they make good ones too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lincoln40 Posted November 10, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 Locking tuners. But what about the bridge part? I dont see a locking mechanism there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chriscnb Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 I've had 3 Trems and no problems ever with divebombs or the bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCray Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 PRS trems are non locking. It doesnt mean you cant divebomb with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 Paul Reed Smith figured out the major flaws in the stratocaster and discovered that the tuning problems were with the nut and machines. The way he kept the strings straight and used locking tuners solved these problems. It's basically a Fender system and that says a lot for Leo too. It doesn't complicate the string changing process either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lincoln40 Posted November 10, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 Paul Reed Smith figured out the major flaws in the stratocaster and discovered that the tuning problems were with the nut and machines. The way he kept the strings straight and used locking tuners solved these problems.It's basically a Fender system and that says a lot for Leo too.It doesn't complicate the string changing process either. So basically he has a special slippery nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IamBurnout Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 So basically he has a special slippery nut A slippery nut is 10 bucks. That's not very special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onelife Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 The tuners have a lot to do with it because when the string is wrapped around the post, the wrap moves a bit with the whammy bar use and it may not come back to exactly where it was before. The locking tuners have no wrap so the string always remain tight to the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members panther_king Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 It's all in the tuners, a well designed bridge, and a good nut set-up. EBMM John Petrucci's dont get too out of tune either after some use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lincoln40 Posted November 10, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 A slippery nut is 10 bucks.That's not very special. what material is it made from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wimpy77 Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 i think their nuts are made from graphite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scolfax Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 But what about the bridge part? I dont see a locking mechanism there The bridge is designed so that the saddles can't move from side to side. Unlike Fender bridges, whether 2 or 6 post: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lincoln40 Posted November 10, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 The bridge is designed so that the saddles can't move from side to side. Unlike Fender bridges, whether 2 or 6 post: Aha...I see that. The saddles bookshelved in between two ends there, for better string stability. Plus with a slippery nut and locking tuners so now I can see how it stays in tune. I wonder if the PRS system will make the Floyd Rose obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dmerge Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 Aha...I see that. The saddles bookshelved in between two ends there, for better string stability. Plus with a slippery nut and locking tuners so now I can see how it stays in tune. I wonder if the PRS system will make the Floyd Rose obsolete. Do you actually think before you speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Prages Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 I wonder if the PRS system will make the Floyd Rose obsolete. As far as non-locking trems go, PRS is certainly one of the best, but the Floyd Rose has way more range and still holds tune better than any non-locking trem I've ever encountered. So no, I don't think Floyd Rose has anything at all to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sgt mukuzi Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 i like the way the PRS is a two post trem but looks like a six post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scolfax Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 i like the way the PRS is a two post trem but looks like a six post What?! Really? Do you have a pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sgt mukuzi Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 there are pics in this thread, its very subtle but the two outer posts are closer to the neck than the inner four posts. you have to squint to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bud M Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 Do you actually think before you speak? Careful, you'll dampen his youthful enthusiasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted November 10, 2010 Members Share Posted November 10, 2010 The effect of the locking tuners is exaggerated. They don't do anything even remotely similar to a locking nut. The PRS trem stays in tune will because it was thought out. It's 6-screw holes are milled down into a knife edge, like a Floyd Rose, Wilkinson or other 2-post design uses. That knife edge sits in a little indention in the screw and doesn't travel. Most people follow advice that says to back the middle four screws up to the point where they are barely touching the knife edge, and let the out screws do the heavy lifting. That's how it functions similar to a 2-post design, but it's not exactly how it was designed to be used. The knife edge,; the tight-fit saddles; the way it orientated to the neck; etc. all help. But ultimately it's just a floating, non-locking trem. It's Leo's trem with a little more labor put into it. It will NOT out perform a Floyd rose, NOT even close, but it is my favorite floating trem by far, and it avoids the after setup time for string and locking the FR. I would say it's performance is on par with a Wilkinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cscbo1 Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 I've done dive bombs, and fluttering with mine, and never have a problem with it going out of tune. I'm sure it doesn't have the range of a Floyd Rose, but I don't particularly need that range. +1 on the locking tuners....they are the shiznit! PRS is using a Floyd Rose on their SE Torero http://www.prsguitars.com/setorero/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted November 11, 2010 Members Share Posted November 11, 2010 The effect of the locking tuners is exaggerated. They don't do anything even remotely similar to a locking nut. The PRS trem stays in tune will because it was thought out.It's 6-screw holes are milled down into a knife edge, like a Floyd Rose, Wilkinson or other 2-post design uses. That knife edge sits in a little indention in the screw and doesn't travel. Most people follow advice that says to back the middle four screws up to the point where they are barely touching the knife edge, and let the out screws do the heavy lifting. That's how it functions similar to a 2-post design, but it's not exactly how it was designed to be used.The knife edge,; the tight-fit saddles; the way it orientated to the neck; etc. all help.But ultimately it's just a floating, non-locking trem. It's Leo's trem with a little more labor put into it. It will NOT out perform a Floyd rose, NOT even close, but it is my favorite floating trem by far, and it avoids the after setup time for string and locking the FR. I would say it's performance is on par with a Wilkinson. I agree with this. Locking tuners don't do much for trem stability, and while the PRS is decent, it will go out of tune, and Floyds just don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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