Members irnbru83 Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Do we still need unions these days? I don't feel oppressed by my employer. When I was a kid (I am not that far beyond that point yet) I worked at Kroger and inadvertently joined the union. Paid my $6/paycheck and it didn't do jack for me until the last month of my employment. I basically stopped showing up regularly because I had a new job that paid better. It was the terrible logic of a 17 year old. Kroger would not fire me because I was a union member. That is just silliness. I deserved to be fired multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Carminemw Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 They are a double edged sword now-a-days. We still need unions if management starts acting like idiots as they sometimes do, but the union umbrella also covers up some of the poor wormankship that tends to happen because you're not worried about being fired from a job. Just look at how the auto industry out priced themselves into almost non existence. And I used to speak from management side in an industry completely structured with unions...commercial printing. I dealt with it every day unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Carminemw Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 But in Ludwig's case, when they lost ground in the 80's to the TAMAs and YAMAHAs, they never really made it back...and Rogers and Slingy fell by the wayside as well. If they can't beat, then there motto probably is lets just go for the green and see if we can get some market share back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members faileddrummer Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Anyone against unions has NEVER worked a right to work state. /end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members irnbru83 Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Anyone against unions has NEVER worked a right to work state./end. I work in Texas, so yes I do. The auto industry appears to be an example of unions getting out of hand. Everything is good in moderation, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Targ Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 I now pay very close attention to where products are made, this includes American companies that produce offshore. Since I was laid off that is. I never liked Unions, and thought they had out lived their usefulness, until I was laid off after working 23 years straight. My company made 8 billion that quarter and decided to hire a bunch of youngsters. I was second in seniority. The problem is with the corporate CEOs who could care less about anything but their own personal paycheck. It has become time to put them back in their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stevieb Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 that's not a Ludwig kit. If walmart is going to sell FEPOS kits, I got no porblem if ludwig was shrewd enough to get a piece of the action. Walcrap treats it's suppliers and it's employees like crap. I almost NEVER go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members faileddrummer Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Walcrap treats it's suppliers and it's employees like crap. I almost NEVER go there. They treated me like {censored}. I stopped going after I walked out. Only company I've ever worked for that has managers who have "favorites." It was like being in high school all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members irnbru83 Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Favorites exist everywhere. Just some managers have the sense to be fair, to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aenemated Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 H L Menchen said..."No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people." bless you, sir, for invoking the eternal wisdom of the sage of baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cross Eyed Mary Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Some of you people seem misinformed about Ludwigs current status. They're doing great right now. They've been doing new stuff like crazy these past couple years and it really shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agogobill Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Do we still need unions these days? I don't feel oppressed by my employer. ... The gap between rich and poor gets wider. At the same time, union membership has been decreasing. Maybe it's just a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members irnbru83 Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Unions have accomplished some good things for those on the lower end of the spectrum, but the rich get even wealthier when the lower end can afford to buy more of the wealthy class's {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cross Eyed Mary Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Unions wouldn't be as needed if that evil thing called "At Will Employment" didn't exist. Ick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lossforgain Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 what an interesting choice of words...instrument shaped objects... I didn't make it up. It's the very phrase which put Brook Mays retail stores out of business when the company applied it to First Act brand pieces being sold by Wal Mart. That's the very context I mean it in, as well -- no disrespect intended to Ludwig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lossforgain Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 I have not heard a single drummer, dealer, or advertisement say anyhing about Ludwig in the past few years that had anything to do with quality. Then you really haven't been paying attention, even here on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lossforgain Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Walcrap treats it's suppliers and it's employees like crap. I almost NEVER go there. Then you must never shop at Guitar Center either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zon5string Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Brace yourselves gents, it's not only at walmart. Costco, BJ's wholesale, Sam's Club, Price Club...they all have them as well as all the musician's friend spinoffs. The reviews from the general consumers are that they are a good bang for the buck starter kit for the beginner. Remember what PT Barnum and H L Menchen said..."No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people." Branum did the American people thing... They are definitely not MY Luddies for sure, but Ludwig can't seem to gain any foothold on the drum market any more. WFL will be rolling over in his grave for sure... Costco drums ... cheaper than Walmart. On a related note, I was thinking of starting a cover band called "Kirkland Signature" and we'd only use gear we could buy at Costco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Carminemw Posted December 7, 2009 Members Share Posted December 7, 2009 Costco drums ... cheaper than Walmart. . There you go...let the games begin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members faileddrummer Posted December 8, 2009 Members Share Posted December 8, 2009 The awesome part is, parents will walk in, say, "Hey, I've heard of Ludwig. Jimmy will love these." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Carminemw Posted December 8, 2009 Members Share Posted December 8, 2009 The awesome part is, parents will walk in, say, "Hey, I've heard of Ludwig. Jimmy will love these."now you know their plan...marketing is everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted December 8, 2009 Members Share Posted December 8, 2009 one can only hope that at least 3 kits are setup in a playable condition for the saturday drum off!!... it really doesn't matter what you think, their doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members irnbru83 Posted December 8, 2009 Members Share Posted December 8, 2009 now you know their plan...marketing is everything... Tricky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted December 8, 2009 Members Share Posted December 8, 2009 Speaking of unions, yes we need them, yes they need regulation as well as the corporations. Regulation and control is key.. Business police, keeping the peace, protect and serve..Corporations play dirty, if they had they're way, and free run of the whole system like some want, we would all owe our souls to the company stores.. Unions are no different than the corporations they coexist with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted December 8, 2009 Members Share Posted December 8, 2009 I like working for unions, everybody knows what everybody takes home, no secrets,they just get out of control sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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