Members lug Posted August 2, 2006 Members Share Posted August 2, 2006 Originally posted by beam But as for this part, yes it would carry more credibility if you had cited not just a random author, but an actual economist or financial expert who could lay out "how" something like this could work. Or at least cite the abstract from their work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beam Posted August 2, 2006 Members Share Posted August 2, 2006 Originally posted by lug Or at least cite the abstract from their work. Dirty Collectivist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Derek5272 Posted August 2, 2006 Members Share Posted August 2, 2006 Well, if Hitler and the Nazis weren't hateful and bloodthirsty, Nazi Germany may have been a powerful, lasting dictatorship. However, he bit off more than he could chew in WWII, and the other European powers and America were too much for him to handle. And no, the American economy/military was not more powerful than Germany's in the late 1930's, or into the 1940's. Germany was, probably by quite a fair margin, the most powerful nation in the world in both respects. And they knew it... They wouldn't have risked a full scale European war if they weren't sure they could handle it. However, geography (and the foolish declaration of war on the United States) weren't the best things for them in the war. *** I do NOT support Nazi ideology, but I believe Hitler was an excellent leader when it comes to the economic progress the country made. And as far as I'm aware, Cuba was never doing that well economically. If it was, it's not something we learn in school here... If you know differently, please, let me know. Besides, not every democracy does well economically either. Haiti, for example, is worse off than Cuba economically. Granted, they haven't been a consistent democracy, as they have a habit of installing corrupt leaders (they've had the same one 2 or 3 times now, can't remember. You'd think they would learn). And no, the Russian economy wasn't doing well before the Bolshevik Revolution. And it still wasn't that great until Stalin came into power. Russia was never a wealthy nation. I believe they were doing a bit better before World War I, but the war was a major drain on their already weak economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted August 2, 2006 Members Share Posted August 2, 2006 Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but didn't. If you pursue a career outside of the acedemic community, you will eventually see where you got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beam Posted August 2, 2006 Members Share Posted August 2, 2006 Originally posted by Derek5272 but I believe Hitler was an excellent leader when it comes to the economic progress the country made. Wait.Now hold on... While Stalin and Hitler probably would have gotten along if they discussed social issues, Facisim and Communism are on the opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to the economy...They were both authoritarians, but they wouldn't have agreed on how to run an economy. So I'm don't think you are as much a communist as you are just an authoritarian. Still, you can't say that "if this didn't happen, this would have.." That's bull{censored}. You can't know what "would" have happened, no one can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Derek5272 Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by beam Still, you can't say that "if this didn't happen, this would have.." That's bull{censored}. You can't know what "would" have happened, no one can. I didn't say that WOULD have happened. I said it MAY have. And it probably would have only lasted until Hitlers death, to be screwed up by a predecessor, as in the Soviet Union.Also, as far as the economic policies Hitler had, I don't have to agree with the methods to think that the end result was good. I'm pretty sure I've already stated in this thread that I admire what Stalin did with the Soviet economy during his rule... Using methods that I agree with more. But saying a communist can't think Hitler did good things with the economy is like saying a jazz bassist can't admire a death metal bassist's work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 So it's perfectly fine to execute millions of people in a failed attempt to realize an ideal that cannot succeed. Where is the greater good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Derek5272 Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Um... I think you missed the part in all of that where I said I was joking about the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by Derek5272 Um... I think you missed the part in all of that where I said I was joking about the majority. Um... I think you've missed a hell of a lot more than comic relief can tend to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beam Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by Derek5272 Also, as far as the economic policies Hitler had, I don't have to agree with the methods to think that the end result was good. I'm pretty sure I've already stated in this thread that I admire what Stalin did with the Soviet economy during his rule... Using methods that I agree with more. But saying a communist can't think Hitler did good things with the economy is like saying a jazz bassist can't admire a death metal bassist's work So you agree with me in that you are an authoritarian, rather than picking any real specific methodology. Just "get it done" despite whatever the cost might be. Yes yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thunderbroom Posted August 3, 2006 Author Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Poor, Poor Derek5272......he's getting his ass handed to him by the tagteam duo of Mr. Lefty and Mr. Libertarian.Way to go beam and burdizzos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beam Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by Thunderbroom Poor, Poor Derek5272... ...he's getting his ass handed to him by the tagteam duo of Mr. Lefty and Mr. Libertarian. Way to go beam and burdizzos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Beam is in on this? I figured beam was supporting this clown as I have that {censored}ing treehugger on my ignore list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beam Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by burdizzos Beam is in on this? I figured beam was supporting this clown as I have that {censored}ing treehugger on my ignore list. *pours organically grown, raw, brown sugar in burdizzos's BMW's gas tank* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by beam *pours organically grown, raw, brown sugar in burdizzos's BMW's gas tank* Pfft, you'll need the key to get into my gas tank. Assuming you can get past my killer attack dogs.Besides, Condoleeza Rice wouldn't fit in my gas tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by burdizzos Pfft, you'll need the key to get into my gas tank. Assuming you can get past my killer attack dogs. Besides, Condoleeza Rice wouldn't fit in my gas tank. It is disrespectful to frame our next president is such terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members takeout Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by lug It is disrespectful to frame our next president is such terms. Not a chance. Our country isn't ready to elect a lesbian president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kaesh Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Actually nazism (and to a lesser degree fascism) and communism are very close on economic issues, the difference lies in social conservatism (nazism) vs. liberalism (communism).If you want to look for examples of combining authoritarian rule with economic liberalism take a glance at bonapartism or frankism/neofrankism. Democracy is a certain path to socialism. Viva el Caudillo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kaesh Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Oh, I almost forgot...*stabs Derek with an ice-pick in Mexico* :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mudbass Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by takeout Not a chance. Our country isn't ready to elect a lesbian president. Just because she's the dominant member in her current relationship with Bush doesn't make her a lesbian...NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members takeout Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 Originally posted by lug Just because she's the dominant member in her current relationship with Bush doesn't make her a lesbian...NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT! I always imagined Laura as being the butch in that pairing, personally. Wait - who were you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jannda Posted August 3, 2006 Members Share Posted August 3, 2006 24 but I'm a democrap I want the girl at the end she gives me a you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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