Members D Aussie Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 Why use an effects loop, instead of just running your pedals in front of the amplifier? Ive never understood that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunburstbasser Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 Putting them in the loop puts them after the preamp, which can make a big difference in how they sound. Generally, pedals are put into the input, and rack units get put in the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members D Aussie Posted September 11, 2007 Author Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 well there you go.Id never thought of that.I can understand how that would be of advantage for a mixer, but I see this facility on geetar amps.What rack effects does your average geetar slinger use I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rodl2005 Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 Gtr player use lotsa rack FX- from multi-fx units to pre amps etc... Putting pedals or any FX into the FX loop also helps U keep a un cluttered or clean & direct/strong signal from your bass to the amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted September 11, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 11, 2007 There can also be differences in the signal level expected/required by the pedal/effect unit. Some effects work better with the weaker signal carried between the bass and amp and some work better with the (sometimes) stronger signal in the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rodl2005 Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 +1 Kindness.....Quite correct. O.Drive/distortion pedalsoften work better from the guitar rather than FX loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 the consensus seems to be boosting effects (OD, Fuzz, Distortion, Wah, Comp) go better before the amp pre, time based effects (Delay, chorus, flange, phase, reverb, trem, etc) go better in the effects loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted September 11, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 11, 2007 the consensus seems to be boosting effects (OD, Fuzz, Distortion, Wah, Comp) go better before the amp pre, time based effects (Delay, chorus, flange, phase, reverb, trem, etc) go better in the effects loop.Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted September 11, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 11, 2007 Truth. Double true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Apendecto Posted September 11, 2007 Members Share Posted September 11, 2007 The amps I've owned also had a foot switchable FX loop and a blend knob for the amount of clean/dry. Both of those features have come in handy for me. Yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Westsailor Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Plus, I would think it necessary if (say, for a huge stage show) you had a sound guy managing the effects. Question though... where would you want to insert a compressor? pre or post preamp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Plus, I would think it necessary if (say, for a huge stage show) you had a sound guy managing the effects.Question though... where would you want to insert a compressor? pre or post preamp? Why would it be necessary for someone else to change you effects? What if you were using a wah, and it needs to be synced with exactly when you are hitting the strings? Kinda hard for someone else to do that. How hard is it to change effects by yourself. I don't have a problem at all... Question 2 depends on the compressor. If it's a pedal (instrument level signal) it should go in front. If it's a rack (line level signal) it should go in the loop...since that is what most loops are designed to handle. Of course this is all subjective, and you might find your preferences to be different than mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Westsailor Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Well certainly effects such as a wah wouldn't be controlled by a sound guy. I'm thinking more of effects such as delay, chorus, etc.. For example, what do you do if you need a certain amount of delay in one part of the song and a different level in another. Reason I mentioned it is because the bigger acts have that level of detail in scoring their music. Haven't you seen big production stage shows where you hear effects come into play without any obvious action on the part of the player doing anything themselves (esp singers)? I presumed it was the sound guy(s) scoring those effects. Watch a DVD of say, Sade and you'll see what I mean. You don't see any of them stompin on pedals. Must be nice I guess... Me? Like you, I'm still tuning my own bass, fiddling with my own knobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Well certainly effects such as a wah wouldn't be controlled by a sound guy. I'm thinking more of effects such as delay, chorus, etc.. For example, what do you do if you need a certain amount of delay in one part of the song and a different level in another. Reason I mentioned it is because the bigger acts have that level of detail in scoring their music. Haven't you seen big production stage shows where you hear effects come into play without any obvious action on the part of the player doing anything themselves (esp singers)? I presumed it was the sound guy(s) scoring those effects. Watch a DVD of say, Sade and you'll see what I mean. You don't see any of them stompin on pedals.Must be nice I guess... Me? Like you, I'm still tuning my own bass, fiddling with my own knobs. I sure have. Most of them time it's their bass or guitar tech doing the effects...not the soundguy FOH. Dimebag used to have Grady Champion do all of his effects...minus the wah and whammy that is. I can see why, but I'd still prefer to do it myself. If I ran into a situation where I needed two different settings...I would either change it myself or more than likely...I'd have a rack setup with midi switching. It will save all of your presets...so you simply make a patch and then assign a button on your controller to it. Press that one button and everything you need changes. Channels on your amp, effects, parameters & values of said effects...everything. If I was a die hard pedal guy (like I am) I would have multiple pedals in my rack with different settings for each. They would all be hooked into a switching system controlled by midi as well... Yes...it's complicated...but it'll do what I want without any fuss!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members guitargod0dmw Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Meh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Just saying, if you need multiple settings of effects, and can't quite swing getting your roadie to do it for you .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Just saying, if you need multiple settings of effects, and can't quite swing getting your roadie to do it for you .... Very true! I wish I had a roadie just to lug around and set up my gear for me. I'll take care of the rest. Is that too much to ask??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Apendecto Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 I sure have. Most of them time it's their bass or guitar tech doing the effects...not the soundguy FOH. Dimebag used to have Grady Champion do all of his effects...minus the wah and whammy that is. I can see why, but I'd still prefer to do it myself. If I ran into a situation where I needed two different settings...I would either change it myself or more than likely...I'd have a rack setup with midi switching. It will save all of your presets...so you simply make a patch and then assign a button on your controller to it. Press that one button and everything you need changes. Channels on your amp, effects, parameters & values of said effects...everything. If I was a die hard pedal guy (like I am) I would have multiple pedals in my rack with different settings for each. They would all be hooked into a switching system controlled by midi as well...Yes...it's complicated...but it'll do what I want without any fuss!!! Yeah, I don't get it either. I see those back page Guitar World interviews with players set ups and I can't believe they don't switch their own effects. But I guess there is a trade off. I'd rather do it myself, too, but you might have a stage show more like Tool and less like Pantera. Who knows. Yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 I'd rather do it myself, too, but you might have a stage show more like Tool and less like Pantera. Who knows.Yo. And...Tool does all of their own effects stuff...no stupid roadies! Both Adam and Justin have massive pedalboards too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roguetitan Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Got the GT 8 for my guitar too:thu: best 900 bucks I ever spent on Effects, does everything I need and then some that I don't even know about yet. the last pedals I will ever have to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 $900?!??!?!! Where do you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitargod0dmw Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 $900?!??!?!! Where do you live? I think he meant for the guitar & bass setup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted September 12, 2007 Members Share Posted September 12, 2007 Ahh, IC. Willsellout hooked me up good for mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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