Members seraphim7s Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 We're just there to lend the place some class, sheepshagger!!! And are you seriously calling Bangor a 'city'?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boscal45 Posted February 6, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 Modern English = Anglosaxon + French + some other bits. not quite... Modern english= middle english + time + latin and greek technical terms + international communication/immigrants middle english = old english (anglo-saxon) + french (thanks to the norman invasion) old english = the germanic language of the angles, saxons, and jutes + celtic dialect germanic language= indo-european + ... time? distance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willbill0587 Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 We're just there to lend the place some class, sheepshagger!!! Hahaha:lol: And are you seriously calling Bangor a 'city'?! No not bangor, I mean Chester, Liverpool, Manchester, places like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rippin' Robin Posted February 6, 2008 Members Share Posted February 6, 2008 whoops. that isnt quite what i meant, and that was a bad choice of words. what i meant is that about 2500 years ago, welsh and the celtic dialect/s that would develop into english were quite similar. welsh has basically stayed the same, while english has not. so we have modern english and welsh, which are completely different languages now, but at one time, they were similar (although it wouldnt have been called english at the time). so one of the things that i want to do while i am in wales is look at syntax and structure and see how they developed differently.not quite...Modern english= middle english + time + latin and greek technical terms + international communication/immigrantsmiddle english = old english (anglo-saxon) + french (thanks to the norman invasion)old english = the germanic language of the angles, saxons, and jutes + celtic dialectgermanic language= indo-european + ... time? distance? I know this, I studied English years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seraphim7s Posted February 7, 2008 Members Share Posted February 7, 2008 whoops. that isnt quite what i meant, and that was a bad choice of words. what i meant is that about 2500 years ago, welsh and the celtic dialect/s that would develop into english were quite similar. welsh has basically stayed the same, while english has not. so we have modern english and welsh, which are completely different languages now, but at one time, they were similar (although it wouldnt have been called english at the time). so one of the things that i want to do while i am in wales is look at syntax and structure and see how they developed differently.not quite...Modern english= middle english + time + latin and greek technical terms + international communication/immigrantsmiddle english = old english (anglo-saxon) + french (thanks to the norman invasion)old english = the germanic language of the angles, saxons, and jutes + celtic dialectgermanic language= indo-european + ... time? distance? You're wrong about English and Welsh being the same 2,500 years ago. I'm struggling to understand where you're coming from to be honest. Celtic had ALREADY split into its own constituent groups by 1000 BC, and you need to go much further back to when PIE (Proto Indo European) was probably a single language (or dialect continuum) - you're talking at least 2,500 BC. 2,500 years ago Brythonic Celtic and Proto-Germanic (the ancestors of Welsh and English respectively) were completely different languages. English would probably be nearer to Polish or Czech than Welsh if it weren't for their geographical propinquity and shared history. You're mistaken if you think any 'celtic dialect' had much effect on Old English. As I said before, most words of Celtic descent in English are either (a) much later borrowings like 'whisky' or (b) hydronyms and toponyms (which are conservative in almost all languages) Scholars have posited that there is a Celtic substratum in Old English (which is reflected in its analytic tendencies) but it's a hot topic amongst comparative historical linguists. If you wanna learn a language that's closely related to English try German, Dutch or possibly French - but don't try and learn Welsh thinking it's related to English because it ain't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ToeJamFootball Posted February 7, 2008 Members Share Posted February 7, 2008 I've been to newsouthWales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcrow Posted February 7, 2008 Members Share Posted February 7, 2008 llandudno for king! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FreestyleIntruder Posted February 7, 2008 Members Share Posted February 7, 2008 Wales does not exist. It never has, and it never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rippin' Robin Posted February 7, 2008 Members Share Posted February 7, 2008 Wales does not exist. It never has, and it never will That would eradicate the problem of close harmony singing and excessive use of phlegm for pronouncing words.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Richy Posted February 7, 2008 Members Share Posted February 7, 2008 I hope you like scousers too because we get hundreds of the bastards swarming around everywhere in the summer. You won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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