Members seraphim7s Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 On my four string (and I think it is unlikely I will ever get a bass with more strings than 5) I can do 8ve +4th or 8ve +5th major scales without a position shift, but I was thinking, it would be nice to have a good method worked out to manage 2 8ve or 2 8ve +3rd (or more!) scales. Obviously one or more position shifts are required. The question is: where? How can one work it out so that you can move swiftly and ergonomically through, say, 2 octaves and a fifth of the scale of G major (covering nearly all of a 20 fret bass) with the smoothest position shifts possible? Any answers? Bassius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 2 position shifts after the initial scale. Practice it and you'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seraphim7s Posted February 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 2 position shifts after the initial scale. Practice it and you'll see. Okay the question is where are the position shifts. I'm looking at my fretboard and there are many possible permutations. I am trying to find out the smoothest, most ergonomic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Perfessor Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 Okay the question is where are the position shifts. I'm looking at my fretboard and there are many possible permutations. I am trying to find out the smoothest, most ergonomic one. That'll depend on your fingering. If you end the scale with your little finger on a note you can start the next with your index finger in an easier transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rowka Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 In every octave of every diatonic scale you have at least eight opportunities for a position shift. Become familiar with them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seraphim7s Posted February 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 Well, yeah ... that's kind of the point I've made - that there are mulitple possibilities in where one places the position shift. What I am asking is ... what's the smoothest, most ergonomic way to do it. I mean I could play an E major scale: 0-2-4-5-7-9-11-12 But no one would argue that that was the 'smoothest, most ergonomic' way to do it - remaining on a single string. The usual accepted way of playing a (G) major scale is something like: G 2 4 5D 2 3 5A 2 3 5E 3 5 (I cannot get the above to work properly on this site - but I think you can get the idea) Where I have extended it by a fourth. What I am asking is: is there an accepted, uniform way that one performs an extended scale (eg 2 8ve + 5th)? Man, this is proving hard work! Am I being very unclear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rowka Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 You are being very clear and I understand your question. It, however, is the equivelent of "what is the best bass for me?" There is no single right answer.I stand by my original response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fran da Man Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 Sometimes what's most convenient isn't the best sounding.You should know, use, and practice scales verticle and horizontal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted February 21, 2008 Moderators Share Posted February 21, 2008 Sometimes what's most convenient isn't the best sounding.You should know, use, and practice scales verticle and horizontal. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chip Stewart Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 I hope I'm not nit-picking here, but shouldn't a G major scale be: G 2 4 5D 2 4 5A 2 3 5E 3 5 Just trying to make sure I've got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kindness Posted February 21, 2008 Moderators Share Posted February 21, 2008 I hope I'm not nit-picking here, but shouldn't a G major scale be:G 2 4 5D 2 4 5A 2 3 5E 3 5Just trying to make sure I've got it right. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seraphim7s Posted February 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 I hope I'm not nit-picking here, but shouldn't a G major scale be:G 2 4 5D 2 4 5A 2 3 5E 3 5Just trying to make sure I've got it right. Yeh, soz. I typed it out incorrectly as mixolydian rather than ionian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seraphim7s Posted February 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 Okay, okay! I was just trying to figure out if there was an 'accepted' or formalized method for extended scales. There isn't. So be it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brake Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 If you think in patterns or boxes or shapes your playing imo will end up un-musical and you'll take a long time to unlearn those bad habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bassius Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 i can play that scale in one shift, George... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fran da Man Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 If you think in patterns or boxes or shapes your playing imo will end up un-musical and you'll take a long time to unlearn those bad habits.Aha...it's in the approach that leads to an outcome.True, if you practice scales for a musical playing style it wont work; on the otherhand if you practice those same scales the same exact way, yet use your mindset that it's a fingering exercise...viola you kill 2 birds with one stone.1) you'll get the scales locked in your head2) you'll get the added benefit of complex fingering positions and patterns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bassius Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 here ya go....a "movable" pattern... have at it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevilRaysFan Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 Sometimes what's most convenient isn't the best sounding.You should know, use, and practice scales verticle and horizontal. Yup - I agree with both of these knuckleheads..Especially because, even though the diatonic "shapes" are the same from key to key, the relative 'patterns' for the keys of Bb through Eb are going to be a whole different mindset than the keys of E through A ( Im sure that you know this, Im just reminding of the obvious)...Rowka's statement is indeed accurate, especially when combined with Fran Da Man's point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Emprov Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 This is the one he taught me. Getting the shift down smoothly has actually helped me more than the actual scale itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hawkeye Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 ..viola you kill 2 birds with one stone. I'm confused. Now we're talking about the viola, I thought we were talking about the bass guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcrow Posted February 21, 2008 Members Share Posted February 21, 2008 Okay the question is where are the position shifts. I'm looking at my fretboard and there are many possible permutations. I am trying to find out the smoothest, most ergonomic one. my guess is 3rd fret E then a smooth move to 10th fret A to do a G/G''you dont have to cross the board to much and dont need a 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bassius Posted February 22, 2008 Members Share Posted February 22, 2008 my guess is 3rd fret E then a smooth move to 10th fret A to do a G/G''you dont have to cross the board to much and dont need a 5 what am i chopped liver?!?!?! ONE SHIFT DAMN IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seraphim7s Posted February 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 22, 2008 here ya go....a "movable" pattern... have at it... Ta Bassius. Admittedly I don't usually do that 5 fret stretch to do scales unless I'm further up the neck, but I'll certainly give it a go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrcrow Posted February 22, 2008 Members Share Posted February 22, 2008 what am i chopped liver?!?!?! ONE SHIFT DAMN IT! that is one shift...isnt it?? start at G on the E strring ..standard fingering till you reach F# on the D string move to G' on the A string..standard fingering up to G'' on the G string that second position i go for a lot...its up the neck but not too far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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