Members Skin flute Posted November 22, 2008 Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 How can I Distort my voice (live) without having the PA feedback??????????????? Hi, Im trying to Distort my voice for a live performance but the distortion is making my PA feedback like crazy. The Mic is going into a Rat distortion pedal and direct into my PA ( soundcraft gigrac 6000 ) through Two JBL eons. The room is pretty small so the PA is close. Now I understand that i might be going about this whole thing all wrong. So help please. suggestions? thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted November 22, 2008 Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 This unit is EXACTYLY what you want... ...DigiTech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moody Posted November 22, 2008 Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 Run what distortion you have lighter than you would think. Run it only through the mains, not through the monitors. (run a clean signal through the monitors - you will need that to make sure you are on pitch etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flanc Posted November 22, 2008 Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 Most of those distortion units require quite a bit of experimenting to work close to how you want them without feedback. A megaphone into your vocal mic gives a lo-fi distorted kinda sound if you think that can work. you can also hook a vocal mic to a small practice guitar amp and distort the vocal that way. You'd mic the guitar amp to get the effect in the FOH. Of course, it requires extra gear and a spare mixer channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin flute Posted November 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 I read the reviews on the vocal 300. they were okay. Im still reading that there is alot of feedback. Any other sugestion, maybe something high end? How do the " Strokes " do it? yes i know they have tons of expensive equipment but Im sure they had to figure out how to distort a voice without feedback too.thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members itsvegas Posted November 22, 2008 Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 Someone used one of those DigiTech Vocal 300's at a show I did sound for once and there were no feedback problems what so ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin flute Posted November 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 were they distorting the voice?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gregidon Posted November 22, 2008 Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 A lot of the issues with distortion on voice come from running that distorted vocal back through the monitors. As Moody said, run a clean signal through the monitors (maybe a hint of distortion, just to make sure it's right) and you should be fine. Otherwise, if the distortion is coming from the mains you may need to do some ringing out of your system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TimmyP Posted November 22, 2008 Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 Distorted vocals were interesting the first few times. But after a few thousand, it's just a bore. Unless you are doing cover work, I'd use something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin flute Posted November 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 well i wasn't asking whether or not to use distorted vocals, I just need to make it work. I read that there are also high end racks I can use will this make any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 Funny, most folks spend their money avoiding distortion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flanc Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 This unit is EXACTYLY what you want... ...DigiTech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members richardmac Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 One way to get distorted vocals is to use Behringer speakers... Sorry, couldn't help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin flute Posted November 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 okay ill give it a try. Just curious does anyone know how bands like tool, NIN, strokes would pull this effect off without feedback in a live situation? I know they have the best equipment, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members samalka Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 Not sure if you're looking for a piece of equipment or just to do it with the mic. Some people already addressed the equipment - but you can distort your voice by just covering the mic with your hands. Do you play a guitar at the same time - or do you have 2 free hands? If so, you can cover the mike with your hands - and sing inside the hole of your hands - but to the side - not directly in the mic. You get a megaphone effect like that. And of course you can also use a megaphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pro1-54 Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 If your hands are free I've seen sucess with a CB radio mic with an impedance matching transformer. Just move away from the monitors when you turn it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin flute Posted November 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 no my hands are not free, I am playing a piano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Special J Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 I would use the distortion much the same way you would use a reverb or delay - put it in an aux send and return only as much as you really need to the FOH along with the clean vocal. This should work, and it won't effect the monitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members itsvegas Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 were they distorting the voice?? Yes, but I wasn't using monitors at the time either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphamarquis Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 sing into your guitar pickups, active humbuckers work best, but you can certainly do it with passive humbuckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andrew JD Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 Solve all your problems right here - http://www.tc-helicon.com/voicetonecreate.asp You can get them new for $250 or used for as low as $180. Here's a little vid demonstration. At the very, very end, she demonstrates one of the distorted sounds. If ya wanted to step it up and use something that the guys from NIN or the Strokes would be using on a pro-level, check this stuff out- http://www.tc-helicon.com/VoiceWorksPlus.asp ($799.99)http://www.tc-helicon.com/VoicePro.asp ($2K or over) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin flute Posted November 24, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 yes Im definetly looking for equipment to acheive this. Thanks for all the suggestions, Ill do some more research. More suggestions would definetly be welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members holygoalie Posted November 24, 2008 Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 A friend uses a Shure Bullet mic into a little 5watt practice amp (as someone mentioned above) and mics the little amp with an SM57. The amp works as a monitor as well and it sounds killer! Never any issues with feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members samkokajko Posted November 24, 2008 Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 I like the idea of the bullet into the 5 watt. What about just putting a stompbox in the chain. I've seen a little panic footswitch that routes the mic to either A or B silently. So then you could go to the PA, or to the amp and then it's mic back to another channel on the board. Or you could do the rack TC helicon way. But if the only effect you want is distortion I think I would go the amp way because that could sound killer with a blues junior or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry Allan Hall Posted November 25, 2008 Members Share Posted November 25, 2008 That unit is designed for the floor in front to the singer. It has a preamp and effects the entire mic signal...thus effecting the monitors as well. When I messed around with one 6 or 7 years ago, it was hard to have the vocals hot in the monitor and not get feedback. True, but (back when I used a V300) I'd just run my vocal mic's signal into the monitor at below feedback level...if you're working with professional musicians, the stage volume needn't be so loud. OTOH, if you're working w/ drummers and/or lead players who can't play w/o blasting, you're SOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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