Members Vinny D Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Vinny - are you saying that the MG series sound bad when you clip the hell out of the mic pre's??? Am I mis-reading the post???. I am saying that they sound bad even before they clip.If you set the channel up so the channel clips and then back the preamp gain down to just under the clipping point, that should be a good starting point......but on the Yamaha it's not. I have found that the preamp level on the Yamaha has to be dialed down well before it would even think of clipping to keep the channel sounding as clean as possible. If the preamp setting is not set just right on the Yamaha board it is easy to have a vocal get distorted when they start belting out a part of the tune.When you are mixing a live band you can correct it and work with it as the night progresses, but if you are mixing from stage while playing it's not that easy.That is where the big difference comes in between the Yamaha & the MixWiz, I just feel the MixWiz is just a simpler board to use live in every application. And like I said earlier, for the price it should be a better board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Andy - are you saying that underneath the plastic is a metal encasement? Yes. There is a metal sub-frame, metal top and metal bottom. I haven't worked on all models, but the bigger ones I have worked on were builtthat way. That's what the plastic beauty trim screws to internally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vinny D Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 I've been doing this stuff professionally for an awfully long time, both from an operation perspective as well as from a design perspective. Maybe I do have some insight that you haven't considered? I don't doubt one bit that you have more insight, I am not a technical person when it comes to musical gear. I am just a bass player that owns way to much equipment.So am I doing something wrong with the Yamaha board....I don't think so. Not when the A&H and the Mackie (when it worked) both setup easily and with no issues setting the preamp gain (again, when the Mackie was working). I can setup any bass to be easily playable, I can get any bass rig to sound good.I can't get a Yamaha mixer to be worth more to me then a paper weight:poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vinny D Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Yes. There is a metal sub-frame, metal top and metal bottom. I haven't worked on all models, but the bigger ones I have worked on were builtthat way. That's what the plastic beauty trim screws to internally. I really don't think the new MG series mixers have any metal in them at all, at least not the 16ch version. It's so light weight the cardboard box it came in weighs more then the mixer does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ricepr Posted March 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 I really don't think the new MG series mixers have any metal in them at all, at least not the 16ch version. It's so light weight the cardboard box it came in weighs more then the mixer does. if you mean the new ones with compressors on some channels, they are a lot lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vinny D Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 if you mean the new ones with compressors on some channels, they are a lot lighter. Those would be the ones This is the model that I have: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-MG166CX-16-Channel-Mixer-With-Compression-and-Effects?sku=630257 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 The ones I have serviced did not have the one knob compression type feature. It's possible that there are additional differences I am not aware of, but it's unlike Yamaha to make such major changes in a lower end product while keeping cosmetics similar. The way I evaluate these products is to look at the various signal on a scope under typical conditions to be sure I get what I expect. Sometimes the control taper makes a user believe something that is just not really happening. I want to clarify that the Yamaha MG consoles are not a console I would consider a "great" console, merely adequate. The Mackie is not adequate due to a long and frustrating reliability problem, seemingly shared with the Behringer mixers. I have a pretty large sample size to base my opinions on, and the percentages are really awfully high IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soul-x Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 The Aux. sends 1-4 are set to PRE EQ, Aux sends 5-6 are selectable by a push button pre/post. Plenty of options without the need to open the board up and move jumpers around. Not correct. Aux 5-6 are switchable for pre/post fader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vinny D Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Not correct.Aux 5-6 are switchable for pre/post fader Woooops, you are correct! Aux 1&2 are set to pre EQ, 3&4 are selectable. I haven't touched the settings on my Mixwiz since my original setup almost two years ago, just a little tweak of the channel EQ's and I pretty much have run that board exactly the same for the last two years. I like it when things are simple:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members therocker39 Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 The mixwiz is a great little board sounds good good eqs and the effects are ok but for FOH I would use an external effects unit I use my mix wiz as a monitor board for my bands in ear monitor rig not for FOH but it sounds great and it has inserts and direct outs on every channel to hook up gates and compression I have all the live mics on stage gated to cut noise out of the in ears and it is very clean and warm sounding I wouldn't buy anything with the mackie name on it I think I would buy behringer before mackie the eqs on the yamaha aren't as nice as the mixwiz It is my experience that it is best to keep your gain at about 0db maybe peaks of about +6db tops if you are bringing it to clip and then backing it down to just under clip then I would argue that you are not setting up your gain structure correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members therocker39 Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 I also use the direct outs on my mix wizard to record the band at gigs I have a tascam us-1641 that allows me to record 14 channels of audio at once and it connects to my laptop via usb 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ricepr Posted March 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 When I started doing this 20 years ago I got a Mackie 1202, that thing had beer poured on it and everything. Fracking thing was a tank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gonzobassman Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Very informative thread,gentlemen! Thanx. One more question. Between the Mixwiz,and the Yamaha MG,which one has the better track record in terms of reliability? I have heard the the A & H s can be a little on the "fragile" side.Heard the same about the MG Yamaha. That is why I posted a thread on another Yamaha series mixer for information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 From what I have seen, both are pretty similar and better than either of the other two options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zeromus-X Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Wait, aux 1 and 2 are pre-EQ on the MixWiz? Hmm. Learned something new today. Glad my monitors are Aux 3. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members therocker39 Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 the older version of the mixwiz 16-2 had cold solder problems but I haven't heard any such things about the newer version 16-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoadRanger Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Wait, aux 1 and 2 are pre-EQ on the MixWiz? Hmm. Learned something new today. Glad my monitors are Aux 3. hahaIf 1 and 2 are pre-eq I think 3 is also. The MixWiz3 is default pre-eq and the older ones post I think? There are internal jumper to change it around (at least on the "3" model). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members witesol Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 seems to be some confusion about pre sends, Pre/post generally means they're pre or post fader. I've no problems running the Yamaha input strip whatsoever. I find the pfl and meters do a fine job of telling me where and how to set the gain. I also find the effects more than quite usable, of course I dont use a lot but the brain is the same, albeit stripped down, of their basic rack mount unit. The adjust control works just fine at modifying decay time in conjunction with the algorhythm chosen. my 24/14 has a metal frame. the 166usb is plastic, I could care less, and actually welcome the light weight board. For a gig where I need 10 or less XLRs, it's perfect. The inputs on it are actually a bit cleaner than the 24/14s, confirmed by my buddies inside Yamaha's Prosound dept. Yea, I like the MixWix too, it's EQ is better but like I mentioned above, there are times I prefer the 24/14fx. It's 4 prefade sends are plenty for as many monitor mixes as I'd want to do from foh anyhow. THe mix wiz works just fine I've nowhere near the technical expertise that andy has(as evidenced by my boneheadedness on occaision) but I mix well over 100 events per year, from kids to grammy and R&R hall of fame members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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