Members btb&dr=tone Posted August 16, 2010 Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 What is the cheapest way to cover a 5 piece band with good ears? Shure or Sennheiser. I have looked at many ways to do this and I feel like 5 different mixes is a not only a lot of trouble buy there is money to be saved with just four mixes. :blah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mshifflett Posted August 16, 2010 Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 What is your budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members btb&dr=tone Posted August 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 Around $5000 but if I can do it for 2000-3000 I would be even happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mshifflett Posted August 16, 2010 Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 So ideally you would like to have 5 individual mixes? Stereo or mono mixes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 16, 2010 CMS Author Share Posted August 16, 2010 Spelling matters. He may have meant "just four mixes" not "just for mixes". For want of a "U"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mshifflett Posted August 16, 2010 Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members btb&dr=tone Posted August 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 Spelling matters. He may have meant "just four mixes" not "just for mixes". For want of a "U"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted August 16, 2010 Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 What do you have now? Do you own a board with 4 auxes or do you need to start from scratch? You would need a board that is capable of doing what you need, 5 transmitters, 5 receivers, upgraded ear buds. The lowest end you should consider is the Shure PSM200. It is mono and this is what my band uses. We are very happy with them. Good and loud with no droppouts in the 5 or 6 years we have used them. Many people would prefer the Sennheiser or Audio Technica offerings. I hear people palking about the better quality sound of units other then the PSM200 but we are satisfied enough not to consider changing at this time. Stereo feeds will require stereo auxes and more wiring. It is also possible to sent two separate mono feeds through a stereo transmitter so that might save a little cash in the long run. Not sure if $5000 will actually cover 5 transmitters/receivers if you also need the board to run them. Most stock earbuds are not very good so you might need at add at least $100 per receiver for better buds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members btb&dr=tone Posted August 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 Mono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members btb&dr=tone Posted August 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 I have a board with 6 auxes already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted August 16, 2010 Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 You can look into the stereo units that will send two mono feeds. That way you would need 3 transmitters and 5 receivers for 5 mixes. 4 mixes can get by with two stereo transmitters. 2 AT M3s ($800 each) and three additional receivers ($450 each) plus upgraded buds ($100 each) will serve you greatly. That is about $3000 (MSRP) so street prices should be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted August 16, 2010 Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 What is the cheapest way to cover a 5 piece band with good ears? Shure or Sennheiser. I have looked at many ways to do this and I feel like 5 different mixes is a not only a lot of trouble buy there is money to be saved with just four mixes. :blah: Before taking and running with any recommendations, I would look long and hard at how much you really want to get into in-ears, and then if you really are set on it, look at things again erasing the word 'cheapest' from your vocabulary. There are ways to minimize costs with anything, but bottom line, in-ears are not a budget endeavor. Also, if you already have a board with 6 auxes, you don't need to concern yourself with trying to compromise with 4 mixes instead of 5, and you'll not save much money (if any) in doing so. Assuming that mixer works, you 'only' need 5 sets of in-ear unit/buds. 5 PSM200s plus upgraded buds...should fit easily in your $2-3k preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 16, 2010 CMS Author Share Posted August 16, 2010 I have a board with 6 auxes already. Six pre-fader auxes? What board? I wouldn't worry about earbuds. Make that aspect the sole responsibility of each wearer, since they are NOT transferable once worn. Unless your band is into sharing earwax:eek:. At any rate, let the band member at least be responsible for that aspect, which will save many hundreds. Good buds run $200-400. Custom molds, highly recommended, are about $150 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Barisaxman2000 Posted August 16, 2010 Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 5 PSM200s plus upgraded buds...should fit easily in your $2-3k preference. Not sure how the RF interference potential is in your area, but this suggestion doesn't leave you much room for changing channels, if necessary. I've run 4 PSM200's at once, but per the instruction manual, Shure recommends no more than 4 units simultaneously. Just something to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted August 16, 2010 CMS Author Share Posted August 16, 2010 Not sure how the RF interference potential is in your area, but this suggestion doesn't leave you much room for changing channels, if necessary. I've run 4 PSM200's at once, but per the instruction manual, Shure recommends no more than 4 units simultaneously. Just something to consider. Correct: http://www.shure.com/idc/groups/public/documents/webcontent/wireless_compatibility_psm200.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members btb&dr=tone Posted August 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2010 Mackie Onyx 1640. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members schismpunk Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 You may consider saving a little by going wired for your rhythm section, if they don't move around a lot. I got my stereo PSM400-wired on ebay for about $100, and I don't feel constrained on stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 You may consider saving a little by going wired for your rhythm section, if they don't move around a lot. I got my stereo PSM400-wired on ebay for about $100, and I don't feel constrained on stage. If you got it that cheap it is because it is in the illegal frequency range. Good luck when they actually start using those freqs in your area. Lots of illegal units were all over eBay & Craigslist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 Not sure how the RF interference potential is in your area, but this suggestion doesn't leave you much room for changing channels, if necessary. I've run 4 PSM200's at once, but per the instruction manual, Shure recommends no more than 4 units simultaneously. Just something to consider. You're assuming all 5 will be wireless units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 If you got it that cheap it is because it is in the illegal frequency range. Good luck when they actually start using those freqs in your area. Lots of illegal units were all over eBay & Craigslist. A wired unit doesn't have frequency issues/restraints, so the wired PSM400 schismpuk is referring to should be fine. Or have I completely missed something obvious that I'll feel foolish about in retrospect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members schismpunk Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 If you got it that cheap it is because it is in the illegal frequency range. Good luck when they actually start using those freqs in your area. Lots of illegal units were all over eBay & Craigslist. I wasn't aware that wired units were in violation of the FCC changes. Thanks for the information.:poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 OK. I guess the PSM400 is ONLY wired? Wow, I thought the transmitter does wired AND wireless. I guess my cell phone isn't wireless either if I plug in earphones. Here's a brochure for ya... http://www.shure.com/idc/groups/public/documents/webcontent/us_pro_brochure_psm_earphones.pdf Here's their site: http://www.shure.com/americas/products/personal-monitor-systems/psm400/index.htm You are still buying an illegal wireless unit but you are using it wired. What part of that don't you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members schismpunk Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 http://www.shure.com/americas/products/personal-monitor-systems/psm400/p4hw-psm400-wired-bodypack This is the product I own. There are no components that transmit or receive radio frequencies. Wow, I thought the transmitter does wired AND wireless. It probably does. Good thing I don't own the transmitter. Good thing I only own the wired receiver, that doesn't have anything to do with the wireless transmitter. What part of tha.... wait, there's no point in continuing this dick-measuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 Sorry, your post mentioned a PSM400. That is not what you bought. You bought the P4HW. The PSM400 is a wired or wireless transmitter. You are just talking about a wired belt pack. What you have is a great deal at $100 but it isn't a PSM400 as you stated. What you mentioned will work fine for a wired solution for the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted August 17, 2010 Members Share Posted August 17, 2010 A wired unit doesn't have frequency issues/restraints, so the wired PSM400 schismpuk is referring to should be fine.Or have I completely missed something obvious that I'll feel foolish about in retrospect? He wasn't talking a PSM400 he was talking just the P4HW. The P4HW would work for a wired solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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