Members Chickentown Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Have a look: http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/P16-M.aspx Now visit one of the heated Behringer debate mega-threads for your corporate ethics and quality venting urges. After that - if we assume this will be approachable cost-wise for bands that are serious enough to invest in IEMs, will we be seeing a major uptick in folks using this approach live? How do you see the introduction of this product playing out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trevcda Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 As you said, corporate ethics and quality control aside- Behringer has never been a game changer in most markets. Frankly I haven't really run across the Aviom product that this was apparently modeled after on any stages I've been involved with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I think they have indeed been a game changed in the race to the bottom market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members davidss1 Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 brand names aside,,,i love the concept,,,certainly could remove the target from the monitor engineers forehead.happy performers ,regardless of the quality they think they have ,makes for good performances,,and happy clients in all related positions,,a great knock-on affect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StratGuy22 Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 As long as the original that they copied was a good design, and you aren't expecting it to last very long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heath_eld Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I really dont understand how a rock band would use one of these things. I've seen the aviom used with a little monitor in front of each player and thought it looked a bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members abzurd Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 These kind of systems seem best suited for "install bands" - theme parks, cruise ships, casinos, etc where the production, including volume, is very controlled with repetition of the same material, sometimes multiple times per day, by the same musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members samkokajko Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 ...with repetition of the same material, sometimes multiple times per day, by the same musicians... This is the key part. I work with Aviom systmes frequently and here are the downsides for me as a FOH operator. 1. I can't hear it. The responsibility is not on the musician to mix their monitors but if something goes wrong, unless they are tech savvy and really know what they are doing they aren't going to be able to fix the problem. You can't tell if a channel went out or they are just being dumb and turned it down.2. I can't fix it. So you've now figured out what's wrong but you can't do anything without going to the stage or trying to talk them through it.3. I would never use them with anything other than IEMs.If you use it with wedges you are asking for the musicians to create feedback because they aren't usually as aware of it and why it's happening. They have a purpose, and I bet Behringer will sell a lot of these, but even though the Avioms and similar units are a lot more expensive I think a good portion of the places buying these systems won't buy Behringer for quality issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted January 13, 2011 CMS Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 This is the key part. I work with Aviom systmes frequently and here are the downsides for me as a FOH operator. 1. I can't hear it. The responsibility is not on the musician to mix their monitors but if something goes wrong, unless they are tech savvy and really know what they are doing they aren't going to be able to fix the problem. You can't tell if a channel went out or they are just being dumb and turned it down.2. I can't fix it. So you've now figured out what's wrong but you can't do anything without going to the stage or trying to talk them through it.3. I would never use them with anything other than IEMs.If you use it with wedges you are asking for the musicians to create feedback because they aren't usually as aware of it and why it's happening.They have a purpose, and I bet Behringer will sell a lot of these, but even though the Avioms and similar units are a lot more expensive I think a good portion of the places buying these systems won't buy Behringer for quality issues. I agree completely about the drawbacks of this type of system. However I'll bet they sell a bunch to churches that want all the bells and whistles but don't have the champagne budgets spent by the big houses of worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members samkokajko Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I agree completely about the drawbacks of this type of system. However I'll bet they sell a bunch to churches that want all the bells and whistles but don't have the champagne budgets spent by the big houses of worship. +1 That I think is going to be where they sell the most. A volunteer tells them they can get pretty much the same thing all the big churches have. It works for some and doesn't for others. A church is one of the places it can be quite useful if used right and if the right people are the ones controlling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prosigna Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 snip +1, +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OneEng Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I use the Furman system which is similar, but doesn't have the channel control this has. What it does have is a simple button that allows me to hear only the main mix vs my personal mix. This system does take a little extra time to setup; however, not more than a few monitor wedges would (and it is much much lighter/smaller). I didn't see the send unit for this thing (ie where do the Ethernet cables originate in the rack). As stated, the quality of this product might be a big issue. I know we can't afford quality and durability issues in our monitor setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bassred Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 I love the Aviom system. If it is causing trouble than it is a matter of people who are not willing to learn, and it's better to be able to explain that they are not doing it right than to have them complaining about a tech (who in the case of many churches is a volunteer...). If you can't/won't learn how to fix the problem yourself, you don't deserve to be playing in a group setting outside of a living room/garage in my opinion. I don't see this causing more feedback issues. If feedback occurs, the person who is getting blasted grabs one knob and turns his/her rig down, instead of someone who is not on stage having to figure out where it is coming from. Again, see my second part of the first paragraph if your response to this is about dimwits who wont learn..... I've had very good reliability with B digital converters, lasted years and still going strong. I think that as long as you are not throwing their stuff around, it can last. Now, I'm not saying that this is as good as the current units, but I think the brand may be able to get something that works. What I'm interested in seeing is the pricetag for the system. That's going to be a big factor. Is it going to be THAT much less than whats out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NUSound Posted January 14, 2011 Members Share Posted January 14, 2011 I love that the Limiter Control ("To protect ears and headphones") knob is right there on the front panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WorldChanger Posted February 1, 2011 Members Share Posted February 1, 2011 Here are the prices:POWERPLAY P16-I (Input module) - $249.99POWERPLAY P16-M (Personal Mixer) - $199.99POWERPLAY 16? P1-D (Distributor) - $149.99 I think that it is very nicely priced. Here is a video from NAMM: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zeromus-X Posted February 1, 2011 Members Share Posted February 1, 2011 +1 That I think is going to be where they sell the most. A volunteer tells them they can get pretty much the same thing all the big churches have. It works for some and doesn't for others. A church is one of the places it can be quite useful if used right and if the right people are the ones controlling it. Unfortunately -- if the live sound arena is anything like the IT arena, the right people are never the ones controlling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jwlussow Posted February 1, 2011 Members Share Posted February 1, 2011 Here are the prices:POWERPLAY P16-I (Input module) - $249.99POWERPLAY P16-M (Personal Mixer) - $199.99POWERPLAY 16? P1-D (Distributor) - $149.99I think that it is very nicely priced. Here is a video from NAMM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7-wJkUd3HE&feature=related Uli, how have you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shaster Posted February 1, 2011 Members Share Posted February 1, 2011 Uli, how have you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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