Members oldgitplayer Posted December 12, 2014 Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 Stick's new 'Imaginary Businessman' lyric reminded me of something I wrote 4 years ago when I first started songwriting.(I joined the forum 3 and a half years ago and still having fun). It will need some rough-edged music to support it because I was angry when I wrote it, and I'm still angry about the corporate world and how it has hi-jacked the lives of ordinary people.Alternatively I could do a Ray Davies and have biting content juxtaposed with happy pappy musicThe lyric will be sung with polite indifference. Anyway - please comment, suggest or not……... I'm a Corporation Burton 2010 © Verse 1: Politicians do just what I sayWhen I need them to – they'll look awayYou want me gone but I'm here to stay'cos I'm a Corporation. Verse 2: If a factory's built on your favourite parkIf your river dies and your skies turn darkThere are many ways I leave my mark'cos I'm a Corporation. Bridge: Let me make it clear I achieve my goalI can take you over or squeeze you outAnd there's no light in my corporate soulThe bottom line's what it's all about Verse 3: I'm the blind giant mover and shakerIt's just about me the consumate fakerWhere you're the giver and I'm the taker'cos I'm a Corporation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tbry Posted December 12, 2014 Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 Politicians do just what I sayWhen I need them to – they'll look awayYou want me gone but I'm here to stay....that seems counter to what is being said...they don't want them gone because they have the $$'cos I'm a Corporation. Bridge: Let me make it clear I achieve my goalI can take you over or squeeze you outAnd there's no light in my corporate soulThe bottom line's what it's all about.....I would just take out the word all...seems easier to say, thus I would think easier to sing. Maybe The bottom line is what it's about Very good..I really like the bridge......those corps are buying all the politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted December 12, 2014 Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 Very good........those corps are buying all the politicians. Have bought; past tense. I think the line "When I need them to – they'll look away" is meant to suggest that the corporate goons will look the other way. I like it so far, OGP. And I really like the idea of the Ray Davies approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted December 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 Thanks for commenting.Now that I've brought it out into the light for the 1st time in 4 years, I can see room for improvement.The revolving door between political life and corporate life has become a central part of the system, and I think it needs a nod.Also the upward flow of taxpayers money as what is essentially corporate welfare also needs a nod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted December 12, 2014 Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 The revolving door between political life and corporate life has become a central part of the system.... It used to be -- long, long ago -- in America that running for Congress or the Senate was something people (almost all of them men) did as part of their public service. They stayed in Washington for a few years then went back to their hometowns and their previous occupations. Hence the ease with which corporations now buy, sell and control Senators, Congressmen & to some degree, even Presidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted December 12, 2014 Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think this is really great. Only two things jar for me. 1) The line "Let me make it clear I achieve my goal" is filler and blah. 2) the last verse's rhymes (shaker/faker) won't fit the melody you've established in v1 and v2. Actually the first two lines of v3 are weak, too. I do think you could have leaned harder into the whole "corporations are people" idea, which is law in America now. The bridge is weak, maybe play it out there, something like this: Cause everyone knows corporations are peopledidn't used to be, but now it's trueand everyone knows all people are equal just some are more equal than you Something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted December 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 Thanks for those comments Martin.I agree verse 3 is weak and I will probably dump it altogether. I wrote the song 4 years ago when I decided to try my hand at songwriting, so there's a lot of water under the proverbial bridge since then.I probably now better understand the toxic effect that the unethical corporates have imposed on the world.So I'm looking at the whole song with fresh eyes. I appreciate what you are saying with your Bridge proposal, but I want the message to be simple.I think what you are proposing builds the next layer of understanding. I'll see what unfolds. I have posted about 30 songs on this forum but no music as yet, because I haven't had much of a handle on music.I think that my composition abilities have improved a bit, so I'll get some music going before I re-write the lyric.I'm going to need a lot of patience and input from all the established musicians on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nat whilk II Posted December 12, 2014 Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think this is really great. Only two things jar for me. 1) The line "Let me make it clear I achieve my goal" is filler and blah. 2) the last verse's rhymes (shaker/faker) won't fit the melody you've established in v1 and v2. Actually the first two lines of v3 are weak, too. I do think you could have leaned harder into the whole "corporations are people" idea, which is law in America now. The bridge is weak, maybe play it out there, something like this: Cause everyone knows corporations are people didn't used to be, but now it's true and everyone knows all people are equal just some are more equal than you Something like that Last thing I want to do is spark a political debate - but in the interests of simple historical accuracy, the idea that corporations could claim Constitutional rights "like people" goes way back...for example, right after the U.S. Civil War, corporations claimed 14th Amendment rights (equal treatment under the laws) and were upheld by the Supreme Court. The ability for any organized group to sign a contract depends on the group having "like people" status under to the law to some extent. "To some extent" is the key phrase - There's not been any new law that turned corporations into people - what there has been are Supreme Court cases in recent years expanding the rights of corporations under the Constitution "like people". The big one that IMHO was a travesty of justice being the Citizens United case that upheld the right of corporations to donate freely to political campaigns and resulted in huge increases in political spending by corporations and the current dismal money-rules-politics situation that has derailed democracy in the U.S. The "personhood" of corporations is, on the other hand, the reason they can be legally sued and taxed. It's also why the New York Times has free speech as an organization. This is a complex issue that cuts in lots of different directions - beware of bumper-sticker slogans that seem to boil it all down to a mythical "new" law all centered around "corporations are people." There's plenty of abuse to target in a song - no questions there. Have at 'em - just don't make your case an easy write-off due to historical innaccuracies. nat whilk ii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted December 12, 2014 Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUFHAsH9Lck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted December 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 I like that ^^^ - good simple way of introducing political process to children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted December 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 12, 2014 Following on Nat's comment, I was reminded of how many songs used to have educational content.I was 20 when the John Wesley Harding album was released and found myself singing this song at gigs, but without knowing who Tom Paine was.I got a book by him and learned a great deal about the social contract.I also thought it was great that songwriters introduced us to new ideas.Who writes these kind of songs now? As I went out one morning As I went out one morningTo breathe the air around Tom Paine’sI spied the fairest damselThat ever did walk in chainsI offer’d her my handShe took me by the armI knew that very instantShe meant to do me harm “Depart from me this moment”I told her with my voiceSaid she, “But I don’t wish to”Said I, “But you have no choice”“I beg you, sir,” she pleadedFrom the corners of her mouth“I will secretly accept youAnd together we’ll fly south” Just then Tom Paine, himselfCame running from across the fieldShouting at this lovely girlAnd commanding her to yieldAnd as she was letting go her gripUp Tom Paine did run,“I’m sorry, sir,” he said to me“I’m sorry for what she’s done” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted December 13, 2014 Moderators Share Posted December 13, 2014 Great quote above, Phil. And I love where you're headed with this one. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted December 13, 2014 Members Share Posted December 13, 2014 Last thing I want to do is spark a political debate - but in the interests of simple historical accuracy, the idea that corporations could claim Constitutional rights "like people" goes way back...for example, right after the U.S. Civil War, corporations claimed 14th Amendment rights (equal treatment under the laws) and were upheld by the Supreme Court. The ability for any organized group to sign a contract depends on the group having "like people" status under to the law to some extent. "To some extent" is the key phrase - There's not been any new law that turned corporations into people - what there has been are Supreme Court cases in recent years expanding the rights of corporations under the Constitution "like people". The big one that IMHO was a travesty of justice being the Citizens United case that upheld the right of corporations to donate freely to political campaigns and resulted in huge increases in political spending by corporations and the current dismal money-rules-politics situation that has derailed democracy in the U.S. The "personhood" of corporations is, on the other hand, the reason they can be legally sued and taxed. It's also why the New York Times has free speech as an organization. This is a complex issue that cuts in lots of different directions - beware of bumper-sticker slogans that seem to boil it all down to a mythical "new" law all centered around "corporations are people." There's plenty of abuse to target in a song - no questions there. Have at 'em - just don't make your case an easy write-off due to historical innaccuracies. nat whilk ii No debate here, easy fix: Cause everyone knows corporations are people never knew that? I guess it's true and everyone knows all people are equal just some are more equal than you IMO without some depth the lyric risks being slogan-y, and the whole title "I am a corporation" seems to call for that treatment. But develop it as you see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted December 13, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm not usually lost for words when editing a song, but I haven't managed to shift this one forward yet. Anybody want to toss some ideas in? I'm a Corporation ………….Burton 2010 © Verse 1:Politicians do just what I sayWhen I need them to – they'll look awayYou want me gone but I'm here to stay'cos I'm a Corporation. Verse 2:If a factory's built on your favourite parkIf your river dies and your skies turn darkThere are many ways I leave my mark'cos I'm a Corporation. Bridge:…................................................. ...goalI can take you over or squeeze you outAnd there's no light in my corporate soulThe bottom line's what it's about Verse 3:…............................move and shake….............................on the make…..............................give and take'cos I'm a Corporation. Alternative Bridge by Martin Cause everyone knows corporations are peoplenever knew that? I guess it's trueand everyone knows all people are equaljust some are more equal than you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tbry Posted December 14, 2014 Members Share Posted December 14, 2014 Bridge:Lining shareholder pockets my only goalI can take you over or squeeze you outAnd there's no light in my corporate soulThe bottom line's what it's about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted December 14, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 14, 2014 Thanks tbry, but I'm chasing visceral wording sung with indifference. Here's where I'm up to. I think I'm almost there. Any comment? I'm a Corporation Burton 2010 © Verse 1:Politicians do just what I sayWhen I need them to – they'll look awayYou want me gone but I'm here to stay'cos I'm a Corporation. Verse 2:If a factory's built on your favourite parkIf your river dies and your skies turn darkThere are many ways I leave my mark'cos I'm a Corporation. Bridge:Money and power is my ultimate goalI can take you over or squeeze you outThere is no light in my corporate soulThe bottom line is what it's about Verse 3:Don't get in my way when I move and shakeI seize the day with rout and takeI'm a hungry beast always on the makeYes I'm a Corporation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted December 14, 2014 Members Share Posted December 14, 2014 Stick's new 'Imaginary Businessman' lyric reminded me of something I wrote 4 years ago when I first started songwriting. (I joined the forum 3 and a half years ago and still having fun). It will need some rough-edged music to support it because I was angry when I wrote it, and I'm still angry about the corporate world and how it has hi-jacked the lives of ordinary people. Alternatively I could do a Ray Davies and have biting content juxtaposed with happy pappy music The lyric will be sung with polite indifference. Anyway - please comment, suggest or not……... I'm a Corporation Burton 2010 © Verse 1: Politicians do just what I say When I need them to – they'll look away You want me gone but I'm here to stay 'cos I'm a Corporation. Verse 2: If a factory's built on your favourite park If your river dies and your skies turn dark There are many ways I leave my mark 'cos I'm a Corporation. Bridge: Let me make it clear I achieve my goal I can take you over or squeeze you out And there's no light in my corporate soul The bottom line's what it's all about Verse 3: I'm the blind giant mover and shaker It's just about me the consumate faker Where you're the giver and I'm the taker 'cos I'm a Corporation. May I offer a possible title: I, Corporation There is an I Corporation but it stands for imagination, innovation and a couple other i's -- but no comma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted December 14, 2014 Author Members Share Posted December 14, 2014 Hi Blue - glad to get your comment.I understand from what you have said that there is a corporation that stands for innovation etc, but I'm not really getting how that would make sense with the approach the song is taking.Please explain……….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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