Members blaghaus Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 -x--x--1--1--2--1- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thelonius Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Fm7b5 I've never cared for the voicings that low, I always like to play them with the root on the A or D strings. Fm7b5 is to Fdiminishedwhat Fm7 is to Fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members voerking Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 F min7 + flat 5 edit-damn, you beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blaghaus Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by Thelonius Fm7b5I've never cared for the voicings that low, I always like to play them with the root on the A or D strings. its a very special chord though, do you know what it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members voerking Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 like, used in a special song?...no idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blaghaus Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 I could keep you hanging but i hate it when people do that it is the Tristan chord, supposedly the apogee of tension http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_chord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members riffdaddy Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Classical musicians would refer to this as a half-diminished chord. Jazz players refer to it as a m7b5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GlassCrasher Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Eb11 no fifth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blaghaus Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by riffdaddy Classical musicians would refer to this as a half-diminished chord. Jazz players refer to it as a m7b5. Its a nice chord in that I love chords that are ambiguous until the next chord relases the tension or whatever. That crazy chord I came up with in the last what is this chord thread was like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exploradorable Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Db2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MonkeyKnifeFighter Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Fm7b5 ~MkF!"Better never than late!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ginnboonmiller Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by GlassCrasher Eb11 no fifth Sure. Plenty of other names, too. The magic of the context that Wagner put it in is that theory geeks are STILL arguing about what chord it is. It all depends on how you resolve the chord, or if you resolve the chord at all, which Wagner only sort of did. Lots of folks point to this moment as the beginning of atonality. Debatable, but really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blaghaus Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by ginnboonmiller Sure. Plenty of other names, too. The magic of the context that Wagner put it in is that theory geeks are STILL arguing about what chord it is. It all depends on how you resolve the chord, or if you resolve the chord at all, which Wagner only sort of did. Lots of folks point to this moment as the beginning of atonality. Debatable, but really cool. I knew you would like it. The way wagner uses it is really cool. Pardon my inability to use proper terms, but the chord bursts in and is sustained making it very tense and suprising. It reminds me a Herrman film score, if you can see what I mean. Like a jarring juxtaposition of notes that is only half released. I'll go back to major chords now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exploradorable Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 NO! ITS A Db2! TAKE THE TOP THREE STRINGS OF A REGULAR D CHORD AND SCOOTE IT DOWN A HALF STEP. NOW ITS A Db. NOW ADD THE Eb LOW NOTE. THAT IS THE SECOND NOTE IN A Db SCALE CLEARLY MAKING THE CHORD A Db2. DON'T YOU SEE IT? DON'T YOU SEE? (curls up in fetal posoition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thelonius Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by GlassCrasher Eb11 no fifth I think that's incorrect. There's a B in this chord. An Eb11 would have a Bb as the fifth. I know you said there's no fifth in the chord, but that doesn't explain where the B comes from. Besides. Dominant 11 chords are a rare breed. I'm not saying they don't exist, but for all intensive purposes they don't really exist. I think being that the 11th is the fourth and the conflict of it being in there with the third, etc. More often we see min11 and Maj11 and #11 type chords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blaghaus Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by Thelonius I think that's incorrect.There's a B in this chord. An Eb11 would have a Bb as the fifth. I know you said there's no fifth in the chord, but that doesn't explain where the B comes from. Besides. Dominant 11 chords are a rare breed. I'm not saying they don't exist, but for all intensive purposes they don't really exist. I think being that the 11th is the fourth and the conflict of it being in there with the third, etc. More often we see min11 and Maj11 and #11 type chords. Wheres dat popcorn smilie at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ginnboonmiller Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by blaghaus The way wagner uses it is really cool. Pardon my inability to use proper terms, but the chord bursts in and is sustained making it very tense and suprising. It reminds me a Herrman film score, if you can see what I mean. Like a jarring juxtaposition of notes that is only half released. Oh, it's even cooler than that! Imagine for a second -- you're all dressed up for the opera. It's Wagner's latest, and he's been around for a while, so you think you know what you're getting into. And you relieve yourself, finish your last smoke, and settle in for four+ hours of sonic pummelling. And the lights go out, and the orchestra pit lights come up, and you get -- seven notes, one chord, long silences on either end, and you still have no {censored}ing clue what key you're in. It's brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moonhead Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 hot damn, I been lookin for that chord to perfect my rendition of Gary Lewis and The Playboys' immortal "Count Me In." I love it when a plan comes together like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members auditorium Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by Thelonius Dominant 11 chords are a rare breed. I'm not saying they don't exist, but for all intensive purposes they don't really exist. I think that is also incorrect- you meant "intents and purposes" not "intesive purposes". I'd weigh in on the chord itself, but I have nothing to contribute theoretically that wouldn't just make a bigger mess of things (having finished my Jazz Harmony classes, and currently taking Trad Harm 2 [baroque through romantic], I see a half diminished/minor7b5 chord and beging to tear up a little bit...though the II-7b5 is one hell of a mode mixture chord). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blaghaus Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by ginnboonmiller Oh, it's even cooler than that! Imagine for a second -- you're all dressed up for the opera. It's Wagner's latest, and he's been around for a while, so you think you know what you're getting into. And you relieve yourself, finish your last smoke, and settle in for four+ hours of sonic pummelling. And the lights go out, and the orchestra pit lights come up, and you get -- seven notes, one chord, long silences on either end, and you still have no {censored}ing clue what key you're in. It's brilliant. Wow, explain it like that and I might have to learn to read music and study the {censored} out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members auditorium Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by blaghaus Wow, explain it like that and I might have to learn to read music and study the {censored} out of it. yea, i defer to GBM's expertise/experience, but i think i actually have a frame of reference for most of the things he discusses...going down the same sort of road, so to speak. is this a bad sign? i'm never gonna make more than $10/hr again, will i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thelonius Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by auditorium I think that is also incorrect- you meant "intents and purposes" not "intesive purposes". {censored}!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blaghaus Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by auditorium yea, i defer to GBM's expertise/experience, but i think i actually have a frame of reference for most of the things he discusses...going down the same sort of road, so to speak. is this a bad sign? i'm never gonna make more than $10/hr again, will i? Well, I'll learn while I work as a town planner on $25+ an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ginnboonmiller Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by auditorium yea, i defer to GBM's expertise/experience, but i think i actually have a frame of reference for most of the things he discusses...going down the same sort of road, so to speak. is this a bad sign? i'm never gonna make more than $10/hr again, will i? For what it's worth, Thelonius has hardcore harmony chops, too. I guess there's always government jobs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by exploradorable NO! ITS A Db2! TAKE THE TOP THREE STRINGS OF A REGULAR D CHORD AND SCOOTE IT DOWN A HALF STEP. NOW ITS A Db. NOW ADD THE Eb LOW NOTE. THAT IS THE SECOND NOTE IN A Db SCALE CLEARLY MAKING THE CHORD A Db2. DON'T YOU SEE IT? DON'T YOU SEE? (curls up in fetal posoition) Aren't "2" chords incorrect by formal music conventions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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