Members konsole Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hi there, I need some feedback on a new pedal I'm designing. It is basically a regular delay pedal with a {censored}load of modulation options - you can hook up a 4/8 step sequencer, LFO, envelope follower or expression pedal to modulate either the delay time or the volume of the dry signal. This thing can create all sorts or insane and also fairly nice sounds, you can check out videos here : Konsole BlogThe Delay has an internal FX loop that can be switched between the wet and dry signal lines and also an oscillation mode. The feedback I need is regards the market potential and overall price of this thing. How much would you guys be willing to shell out for this sort of thing? EDIT : I would like any ideas (The crazier the better) regarding any of the new pedal designs featured on my blog. I want to make these things the most interesting and exciting pedals on the market! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 How much would you guys be willing to shell out for this sort of thing?About 20% less than whatever you decide on for the final price.Buncha cheapskates around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members konsole Posted April 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Sooooo, hows about $1000 then? heh. Nah, now really I was thinking about in the range of $200-$300? What would you guys normally shell out for a delay pedal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T3 Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 people here have bought delays in that price range... watching your vids now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jay3265E Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 I would say that price range would do the trick. There are several delays (Memory Lane, Echolution to name a few) which are beyond that range. And while they still sell well, the price is a hindrance for the "prosumers" around these parts. But then again, unless the pedal is $40, then you'll still get someone belly aching about the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T3 Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 But then again, unless the pedal is $40, then you'll still get someone belly aching about the price. if it's $40 they'll just assume it's crap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jay3265E Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 if it's $40 they'll just assume it's crap.... Some players swear by the Arion SAD-1 and those can be had for cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members konsole Posted April 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 I hate having to price my own gear up. I get so attached to it! I'll definatly price mine well short of those two pedals. Crazy prices for them! I'm releasing a range of pedals and modulation devices soon. The Delay, a fuzz a feedback loop/tremolo a sequencer, lfo and envelope follower. You'll be able to buy each one individually - a sort of 'construct your own modulation device' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ificse Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Personally i'm very interested in such a kind of effect. You still built the sonic bomb or the battle looper is gonna replacing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members konsole Posted April 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 I can still build all the effects I used to but this next range of devices I've come up with are just a step ahead of anything I've come up with before - you can get traditional tones as well as wacked out sounds with them. I expect my new site to be up by the end of next week. The Electronic Battle Loop will look like this - And when you combine it with either the Electronic Battle Sequencer or Oscillator which look like this- it'll do modulated feedback or classy tremolo! You can get a sneak peek at the rest of my new pedals on my BLOG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dan-o-guitar Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 The delay looks very interesting! The step sequencer is a novel addition and I think people will dig it. Pricing is always tricky. If you aren't doing this to pay the rent then you have more flexibility. It depends on what you think you should get paid per hour for labor, then add in parts costs, shipping, boxes, and all the sundry consumables that always seem to be running out. The only thing I would say is don't sell yourself short by undercutting your prices. Be fair, but make money too. As you probably have already seen, r&d costs do add up. Anyway, congrats on the new line. Exciting stuff. :thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hand Amputation Posted April 6, 2007 Members Share Posted April 6, 2007 Endorse me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iodine74 Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 I'm curious about these as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 sei says WOAH!thats cool. I like that, and the fact your a stone roses fan is even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Uma Floresta Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 Sounds very cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 is this analog, btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drifterphase Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 This collection of pedals looks absolutely amazing! This is exactly the kind of thing that gets me gasing. The only thing that would give me pause as a consumer is the idea that, in order to get in to really cool sonic territory, I would have to buy each and every module. Three or four hundred dollars would not at all be a deal breaker for me to get the capabilities described. But, three or four hundred dollars each, multiplied by 6 pedals would push it out of my personal range.Are the modules compatible with non Battle Weapon pedals? If so that would really open up demand for them. If not, I would be interested in a pedal that combined the delay and some of the other functionalities. I'm sure adding all of the features to one unit would be too much, but something like a single-unit delay with the sequencer and oscillator would be extremely desirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ificse Posted April 7, 2007 Members Share Posted April 7, 2007 I'll wait til the site will be up and there'll be further infos and clips to understand clearly how the modules sounds like both as standalone pedals or/and matched together; from the video it's not clear how the delay sound is affected by other modules. I'm sure about the sequencer that seems really amazing, and about something like the sonic bomb or something capable to do the same stuff. It looks like i could spend a lot of money on those pedals. So, about prices: i could spend too 200$-300$ to get my cup of tea, but scared of being a tea addicted. What happens if i get mad for three or more of this pedals? you could think about special deals for multiple combinations:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members konsole Posted April 8, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 8, 2007 Well i was thinking about priceing the delay at around $150-$250, the fuzz at $120-$170 and the loop at $150-$200 (The tremolo mode on this is really getting good, I can't believe I added it as an after thought, even though the possibility was always there in the design!) with the modulation units at $100 - $170 (for the sequencer). Possibly slightly more as I'm resident in the UK with UK prices The delay is currently digital, to make it analogue would take the price too high for my target audience I think, but it depends on demand! The Fuzz and Loop are full analogue though.The Modulators will be compatable with other pedals, all you will need is a small adaptor and you will be able to plug them into a standard expression pedal jack. They are optimised for my designs though so you will obviously get varied results - I can't field test every pedal in the world!heh.Dano- Nice site, the FKR looks awsome! I'm not going to be looking to pay the rent with these, just yet. Just a few student debts! I may look to moving it on in the future - I have a few interesting ideas involving making custom guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T3 Posted April 8, 2007 Members Share Posted April 8, 2007 where in the uk are you based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cantoXIII Posted April 8, 2007 Members Share Posted April 8, 2007 wow. i'm impressed by all of these. way to fill a hole in the market...and i look forward to hearing the finished versions of these whacky-as-{censored} pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members konsole Posted April 10, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 10, 2007 I'm based near Hull, East Yorkshire. I spend a bit of time in Nottingham as well though. I've finished all of the prototype designs on breadboard and I'll be starting to build the first rn of each box in the next two weeks. I'll try get some sound samples of the breadboarded prototypes to give you guys an idea of what each effect is capable of. I have a question with regards the delay - would you guys prefer a 'stereo' mode or a dual effects loop(i.e. you can have different effects on the dry and wet lines of the delay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members T3 Posted April 10, 2007 Members Share Posted April 10, 2007 ooohh, i'm in nottingham reasonably often... one of the companies i do work for is based near there... keep us posted on progress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ificse Posted April 11, 2007 Members Share Posted April 11, 2007 I have a question with regards the delay - would you guys prefer a 'stereo' mode or a dual effects loop(i.e. you can have different effects on the dry and wet lines of the delay? Maybe could be more interesting a dual effects loop; there are many delays that can run in a stereo mode. I'm sure keeley mods the DD-3 to insert in the effect loop other effect that affects (i'm not sure) only the wet lines. Probably the effect loop for both wet and dry signal is a feature that could immediatly identify your delay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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