Members Superace25 Posted December 3, 2007 Members Share Posted December 3, 2007 AAAAAAARRRRGGHHHHHHH Since this thread I've started to notice, and now I'm hearing this everywhere !!! Evanescence - "Good Enough" on latest CD there's a noticable blip in the first verse...... A pox on this thread. How can I go back to my blissful naive days ??? Sorry, knowlege is a burden. After I started to learn how to listen critically to music (the arrangement, etc) I lost my ability to enjoy lousy local bands. Just be careful not to work with pro loop libraries too much... picking those up will ruin the radio for life. (Or so I'm told.....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mintbeetle Posted December 3, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 3, 2007 Just be careful not to work with pro loop libraries too much... picking those up will ruin the radio for life. hahaha, I bet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elsongs Posted December 3, 2007 Members Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't mind it too much, just don't make me listen to any Akon. I have no idea why that guy is popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 "he uses a voice synthesizing tube...but hes still creative" :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted December 3, 2007 Members Share Posted December 3, 2007 Yes. And that's why it's wrong. What happened when there wasn't autotune? More singing lessons Did somebody strike keys or have perfect pitch? Is that too accurate or not accurate enough? Autotune is the way to polish something - some people just chose to polish a turd. It's this whole mindset of trusting the machine for more than it was meant to do when all it gives you is its "result" of what you should be singing overlaid onto what you were singing. But Melodyne can't help it because it doesn't know the context. You could try asking for this feature - a pretty ingenious one, though - in an update. Just add a "muted" piano track where you play the chords that you're supposed to be singing over and then let the software decide. Using HMT your "little sharp" won't be labeled as sharp. EDIT: And if you think ears don't listen better than a machine, you might not wanna try your hand at engineering. Your ears deceive you; recognizing that is as much of a requirement as to recognize that the picture on one's analyzer may be a little off. Trusting blindly on either is not a sound course of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted December 3, 2007 Members Share Posted December 3, 2007 Just be careful not to work with pro loop libraries too much... picking those up will ruin the radio for life.My sound effects libraries have ruined quite a few movies as well. That repusive little kids laughing effect that's heard in every single movie, TV show, or commercial whenever a single kid is on screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Superace25 Posted December 3, 2007 Members Share Posted December 3, 2007 haha The wilhelm scream is a classic. Thanks for the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cryptozoon Posted December 3, 2007 Members Share Posted December 3, 2007 My sound effects libraries have ruined quite a few movies as well. That repusive little kids laughing effect that's heard in every single movie, TV show, or commercial whenever a single kid is on screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted December 4, 2007 Members Share Posted December 4, 2007 My current pet peeve is the backward string bowing out to a commercial that you hear at the end of every cliff hanger today.Doesn't backward string bowing sound the same as forward string bowing (unless it's pizzicato)? Maybe the waterphone? The biggest culprit is probably ILIO's Distorted Reality 1 and 2. Fantastic library, but man, it was overused five years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gdh Posted December 4, 2007 Members Share Posted December 4, 2007 just imagine what autotune would do to Neil Young or Robert Plant - they might have made it in the industry if only, eh! Many producers that I know see it as a tool to (if they had the option) to use it only as Audacity Works described. Problem they have is that for $ a jr. engineer is assigned the task and presto a.t. and beatbox are run from beginning to end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sparkytfl Posted December 4, 2007 Members Share Posted December 4, 2007 haha The wilhelm scream is a classic. Thanks for the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cryptozoon Posted December 4, 2007 Members Share Posted December 4, 2007 Doesn't backward string bowing sound the same as forward string bowing (unless it's pizzicato)? I'm not sure I know what you mean, although it's possible that I erred in my description. I don't mean the bowing is backwards, whatever that means (upstroke?), but rather that the recording or sample has been reversed in order to achieve a sound which I now hear quite a lot as a substitute for a backwards cym swell or backwards suck ( No that I think about it, though it's not an actual sample that bothers me (well, actually there is one), it's simply the use of reversed swells over and out of cliff hangers that seems overused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted December 4, 2007 Members Share Posted December 4, 2007 No that I think about it, though it's not an actual sample that bothers me (well, actually there is one), it's simply the use of reversed swells over and out of cliff hangers that seems overused.Gotcha. Ilio makes a library called Trance Fusion (wrong title IMO) that's nothing but reverse swells, forward swells, and swooshy transitions. Hear it everywhere. Spectrasonics' Stylus RMX has the ability to turn any drum sound into a reverse swell, complete with truncating the front (end) tail so it doesn't take forever to appear. Pretty damn cool, as long as it's not in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Superace25 Posted December 5, 2007 Members Share Posted December 5, 2007 man I should really try Stylus one of these days. Maybe I could finally stop wasting my life trying to program drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sparkytfl Posted December 5, 2007 Members Share Posted December 5, 2007 very Cher-like. So I was in the grocery store today, hearing "this is a different kiiind of love song" and it sounded half like a robot with that effect going through the whole thing. I'm kind of out of it as far as recognizing performers and bands, so I just had to google it, sure enough, it was Cher. As an effect for half a line used once in the whoel song or something it's fine. Dragonforce (yes I'm a dork who listens to them) did it in one of their balads and I thought "hey that effect was pretty cool". I had no idea that was auto tune. I always though it was a flanger or phaser or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Superace25 Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 As an effect for half a line used once in the whoel song or something it's fine. Dragonforce (yes I'm a dork who listens to them) did it in one of their balads and I thought "hey that effect was pretty cool". I had no idea that was auto tune. I always though it was a flanger or phaser or something. I agree, it's best used for fills. But then again, some people have scored major hits using it fairly dramatically: [YOUTUBE]5AWWZA3YinE[/YOUTUBE] note that the effect isn't constant in this. the intro is dry, the chorus is soaked, and the verses split the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mintbeetle Posted December 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Superace, the chorus of "blue" sounds like it uses an autotuned voice, ran through a vocoder as well. The verses might be autotune only tho'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Superace25 Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Superace, the chorus of "blue" sounds like it uses an autotuned voice, ran through a vocoder as well. The verses might be autotune only tho'. Yeah, it's a pretty strong effect on the chorus and more subdued on the verse. Just goes to show that even a standard effect like autotune benefits from tweaking and experimentation. Daft Punk vocals a la "Harder Better Faster Stronger" are the same idea -- you're tempted to write it off as just a vocoder, but it's actually a lot more complicated. Of course, so much of Daft Punk's stuff is ripped samples, it's nice to have a complex original part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BonsoWonderDog Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Daft Punk vocals a la "Harder Better Faster Stronger" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mintbeetle Posted December 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 the parts where the vocal gets super high and chopped up.... aaaah skeet skeet god damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mintbeetle Posted December 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 and kanye's remix is pretty good, but it just makes me want to hear the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 I think you guys miss the point of auto-tune - its so that pop bands can make do with whatever hot bit of fluff they can find whos basic voice sounds ok for the material - whether or not they can actually sing well too.Lets face it - you want some troll on stage/in tghe videos etc or some hot bit of fluff that everyone want to get in the hay with?Of course theres the other approach a mate of mine uses - get the large german girl in the studio and hire some glamour/porn star for the vids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Birdienumnum Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 When my material is performed by folks with lovely voices I simply tighten up a few notes. But autotune is also very useful to communicate ones' ideas if you can't sing, like me! I run all my sketches through autotune, on every note, otherwise my singers would have NO IDEA what the tune was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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