this just in: Robert Fripp licenses "21st Century Schizoid Man" to.....KANYE WEST

[Lonely Tourist]

i like the song.

[(⌐■_■)]

there both pompous but at least fripp is also a strange and excellent musician
Kanye's stuff is so bad almost completely devoid of taste and artistry

If you want hiphop/rnb there are better MCs, producers, singers
If you want electronic music there are so many more interesting artists

and his lirics there isn't a facepalm big enough



also this is how you sample daft punk (not like stealing the whole song Kanye style)
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[EL KABONG]

i dunno who i hate worse Fripp or Kanye? they deserve eachother!

[CicadaSilence]

Kanye West is the cancer killing music.

[Edkoppel]

Fripp probably had no idea who kanye west was when he licensed it, or how it was going to be used. his manager probably came to him and said, "this pop artist wants to sample 3 seconds of one of your songs and he's willing to pay you 3 million dollars for it."

{censored}, i'm sorry but that's a no brainer.

besides, kanye probably already made that beat years ago and just wanted to put it out, so he had to get the sample cleared. it does suck to hear a good song or artist used in a pretty terrible way, but luckily it wasn't used in a way that when you hear the original it is ruined; like if Fripp licensed it to Viagra or something...

it's all good guys. "21st Century Schizoid Man" is still a sweet song and Kanye West still sucks, so really nothing has changed.

[Agreed]

Rockism is a portmanteau of "rock" and "racism" and y'all some rockist mother{censored}ers. HOW DARE THAT BLACK FELLOW GET HIS HANDS ON A VENERABLE PIECE OF WHITE MUSIC! He probably threatened him with violence to get it (you know how they do)!

 

Come the {censored} on, gentlemen. Rap is art too.

[Edkoppel]

Rockism is a portmanteau of "rock" and "racism" and y'all some rockist mother{censored}ers. HOW DARE THAT BLACK FELLOW GET HIS HANDS ON A VENERABLE PIECE OF WHITE MUSIC! He probably threatened him with violence to get it (you know how they do)! Come the {censored} on, gentlemen. Rap is art too.

?

really?

i love hip hop, but kanye west is pretty {censored}ty in comparison to many.
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or
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i really hope you're joking.

[Agreed]

? really? i love hip hop, but kanye west is pretty {censored}ty in comparison to many. i really hope you're joking.

Yes, really. Nickelback, as {censored}ing relentlessly boring and blatantly commercial as I find them, are also still art. It would be a pretty big mistake to go down the road of censoring artists just 'cause we don't particularly like them. Kanye's output has been {censored} since his first album, and the way he grandstands via badly disguised publicity stunts is pretty reprehensible, but he is still a legitimate artist and I think it's great that one artist (Fripp) lent his material to another (Kanye) to make more art - and I think it's dumb as hell for everyone here to be in a complete huff over it.

I wish we could all move toward creative commons music making. Art as the foundation for art is a great notion. It's a shame that Kanye is probably one of the few artists in a position (that is, there's a money barrier, or at least I perceive one to be there) to actually legitimately get samples from Fripp. But {censored} it, I'll throw down over his legitimacy as an artist and just how much bull{censored} some of the posts in this thread are. (If you're feeling offended right now, I'm probably talking about you - the one about Kanye threatening violence was straight {censored}ing racist).

[Agreed]

God DAMN I woke up ready for a fight this morning, yeah? I can't tell if I should embrace this as "Agreed is BACK BITCHES" or wither back to blandness. Certainly don't want to alienate some of my buds here - Bobby D, for example, I reeeeaaally don't think you're racist at all, and there are other hip-hop lovers around these parts that are basically just upset that Kanye got what starving artists could not, that's understandable - but do I think the response is disproportionate, and do I question the feelings behind any disproportionate response? Yeah, I do.

[Edkoppel]

Yes, really. Nickelback, as {censored}ing relentlessly boring and blatantly commercial as I find them, are also still art. It would be a pretty big mistake to go down the road of censoring artists just 'cause we don't particularly like them. Kanye's output has been {censored} since his first album, and the way he grandstands via badly disguised publicity stunts is pretty reprehensible, but he is still a legitimate artist and I think it's great that one artist (Fripp) lent his material to another (Kanye) to make more art - and I think it's dumb as hell for everyone here to be in a complete huff over it. I wish we could all move toward creative commons music making. Art as the foundation for art is a great notion. It's a shame that Kanye is probably one of the few artists in a position (that is, there's a money barrier, or at least I perceive one to be there) to actually legitimately get samples from Fripp. But {censored} it, I'll throw down over his legitimacy as an artist and just how much bull{censored} some of the posts in this thread are. (If you're feeling offended right now, I'm probably talking about you - the one about Kanye threatening violence was straight {censored}ing racist).

 

 

well no one was talking about his "art". and as you just mentioned, you think his work has been {censored}ty since his first album...

so why is it such a stretch of the imagination that people don't want some hack "artist" ruining a song they like by sampling it?

 

and no one brought race into until you. which is a completely out of bounds argument, because if it were Eminem, everyone would have the same reaction.

[Agreed]

and no one brought race into until you. which is a completely out of bounds argument, because if it were Eminem, everyone would have the same reaction.

 

 

Yeah? You think so? I don't. "He probably threatened him with violence." Eminem is about as threatening as Vanilla Ice. I think maybe there's something else underlying that particular quip. Hmmm, could it be?

 

Edit: Also, sampling doesn't ruin anything. I just listened to 21st Century Schizoid Man just now, there wasn't anything different about it than before. If you don't like the new material using it as part of the song, then don't listen to it, feel free to criticize it, whatever, but be real when doing so. "I'M GOING TO KILL ROBERT FRIPP AND KANYE WEST I'M NOT JOKING" is a disproportionate response. Kanye's output being {censored} past the first album and him not being an artist are two entirely different things. I don't like anything after King Crimson's first four albums, or anything after Rush's 1980s albums, or half of the stuff Led Zep put out before ZOSO and little on it, etc., etc., we're all critics, but Kanye gets special angry treatment in this thread and that is for a reason.

[Edkoppel]

well, as i said in my first post, i agree it doesn't ruin the original song. but to some people it would, i guess. i also thought the dude talking about kanye threatening people was a joke.

it doesn't really matter at all though.
i stopped caring.

[Instrospection]

Yeah? You think so? I don't. "He probably threatened him with violence." Eminem is about as threatening as Vanilla Ice.

 

 

Hey, this is after all a man that rocks a mic like a vandal and waxes a chump like a candle. Sounds pretty threatening to me......

[Bobby D]

Rockism is a portmanteau of "rock" and "racism" and y'all some rockist mother{censored}ers. HOW DARE THAT BLACK FELLOW GET HIS HANDS ON A VENERABLE PIECE OF WHITE MUSIC! He probably threatened him with violence to get it (you know how they do)! Come the {censored} on, gentlemen. Rap is art too.

sure is! Dj Shadow, Run DMC, TONS of stuff on my ZUNE obligatory ZUNE facepalm

i have played in nearly all BLACK bands for the last 15 years. my most recent band is all white dudes tho. i got tired of playing funk and dance covers to pay the bills. now i play radiohead and coldplay covers to pay the bills. either is the same. luckily, the core band that my cover band is an offspring of is an ALL ORIGINAL band, but i digress.....

Kanye West? he has PROVEN HIMSELF time and time again to be a DOUCHEBAG no matter what the color of his skin. He is a talentless HACK who appeals to kids like my 13 year old daughter, but you know what? EVEN SHE has said to me "he's kinda creepy and not as good as i thought"

[Bobby D]

is Kanye even HIP HOP? really?

he's POP SCHMALTZ BULL{censored}.

got great producers, but as we all know, those guys will do whatever for whomever for the $$$............

it's all about da benjamins. even for FRIPP

[Bobby D]

and two words here -- LIVING COLOR


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THIS is music of "color" that made a difference. in MY life. and plenty of other closed minded "white boy rockers" of the 80s. GOD BLESS VERNON REID

[Instrospection]

is Kanye even HIP HOP? really? he's POP SCHMALTZ BULL{censored}.

 

 

Dunno--I think that he has talent as far as making hits and what people like, but i've thought that Outkast has been far better at merging soul and hip hop and pop in an authentic and original manner.

[Bobby D]

Dunno--I think that he has talent as far as making hits and what people like, but i've thought that Outkast has been far better at merging soul and hip hop and pop in an authentic and original manner.

OUTKAST are AWESOME............

i thought vernon wrote this, but it was drummer will calhoun!

When I speak out loud
You say I'm crazy
When I'm feeling proud
You say I'm lazy
I look around and see the true reality

You like our hair
You love our music
Our culture's large, so you abuse it
Take time to understand, I'm an equal man

Chorus:
History's a lie that they teach you in school
A fraudulent view called the golden rule
A peaceful land that was born civilized
Was robbed of it's riches, it's freedom, it's pride

When I'm at work you say I'm great
You watch and ponder, but can you relate?
Inviting eyes hands drop, when the music stops

Don't ask me why I play this music
It's my culture, so naturally I use it
I state my claim to say, it's here for all to play

Chorus

It's time for a change
Concepts rearrange
Can't you feel my rage...

It's up to you to seek the truth
To know your history, the difference between me and you
Relate to me as me, not what you see on tv

[Bobby D]

is there music like Living Colour today that had made THAT kind of difference in the way young people in their teens/twenties think and relate?

show me. i am completely unaware of the modern stuff.

jesus, got the new Guitar World in the mail yesterday, several old friends/acquaintances of mine in there, which is always bittersweet. but then about a dozen bands i have never heard of.

getting old. it sucks. stay young as long as you can

[Bobby D]

if FRIPP licensed 21CSM to THIS band, i would be dancing in the aisles...

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[Instrospection]

getting old. it sucks. stay young as long as you can

Heh, that reminds me of Billy Madison, where Sandler tells all the kids to never grow up.

For years, I wondered why my parents were never really that into any of the music that I liked--they'd say, "what's that crap?" or whatever. Now we know where they're coming from! I've got some grey hairs.

[Bobby D]

Heh, that reminds me of Billy Madison, where Sandler tells all the kids to never grow up. For years, I wondered why my parents were never really that into any of the music that I liked--they'd say, "what's that crap?" or whatever. Now we know where they're coming from! I've got some grey hairs.

i still FEEL young. until it's time to load out the gear for the 30,000 time of my life

but i feel i lost the pulse of the "contemporary music scene" after the late 90s. i had gotten out of college, quit working for the labels, and did nothing but concentrate on MY OWN music and touring with other artists for a while.

now in 2010? i feel like i am "out of it" somehow......

but at least my new band is guys in late 20s/early 30s. and i clean up pretty well for gigs and photos. who knows? maybe 2011 with be the year of RULING MERCURY. band nearly got signed to SONY last year.

[Instrospection]

i still FEEL young. until it's time to load out the gear for the 30,000 time of my life but i feel i lost the pulse of the "contemporary music scene" after the late 90s. i had gotten out of college, quit working for the labels, and did nothing but concentrate on MY OWN music and touring with other artists for a while. now in 2010? i feel like i am "out of it" somehow...... but at least my new band is guys in late 20s/early 30s. and i clean up pretty well for gigs and photos. who knows? maybe 2011 with be the year of RULING MERCURY. band nearly got signed to SONY last year.

Did you really almost get signed to Sony? Or are you just kidding?

Seriously, when I look in Rolling Stone at the new buzz acts and {censored} like that, i'm really just not interested. I guess that goes with having heard all the originators and the valid clones up until a certain point. I just revert back to stuff I know about, or i'm busy going through the past history of music as to what i've missed.

[Bobby D]

Did you really almost get signed to Sony? Or are you just kidding? Seriously, when I look in Rolling Stone at the new buzz acts and {censored} like that, i'm really just not interested. I guess that goes with having heard all the originators and the valid clones up until a certain point. I just revert back to stuff I know about, or i'm busy going through the past history of music as to what i've missed.

not ME.....the band i am in now DID.....their guitarist is from UK, he went home to visit, got his VISA revoked, and is stuck there til next year.

my agent suggested that they give me a shot. they DID NOT want to "audition" guitarists. they were content to sit it out and wait for their guitarist to come back.

and i have become online friends with the guitarist, who is a COOL AS {censored} dude.....and uses the phaser on slow parts (NOT kidding), plays Fenders, very much we are the same vibe. weird....

we have done ONE original show, opening for FASTBALL in West Palm. but we formed a cover band to keep making $$$ and keep the band tight until the return of guitarist #1, upon which we will be FIVE piece with two guitars, i will probably double on synths too, since i am a prettty good tweaker.

if you wanna hear the music, check it at:

http://www.ilike.com/artist/Ruling+Mercury

a lot of this stuff was mixed by a Grammy award winning producer. it sorta reminds me of Mistersuperfly's music at times

[Snowden]

I've always wondered if there are authors out there who turn down places like Barnes & Noble because they feel it undermines their credibility as an artist.

 

Who knows, maybe Fripp wanted to see how the track turned out? Even if it was for the money, I'm not seeing the big deal.