Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 I likes messing around with the Kaosillator. It's dead easy, quick to doodle some ideas out with, and just plain mess around with. I want something that will let me do this with external gear. I want to sample audio AND/OR MIDI as loops, and I want to have multiple tracks to do it with so I can mute them, etc. I DON'T want to have to stop recording to do anything or make changes, and I DON'T want to use a PC. What magical piece of hardware am I looking for? Help me KSS, you're my only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 I likes messing around with the Kaosillator. It's dead easy, quick to doodle some ideas out with, and just plain mess around with. I want something that will let me do this with external gear. I want to sample audio AND/OR MIDI as loops, and I want to have multiple tracks to do it with so I can mute them, etc. I DON'T want to have to stop recording to do anything or make changes, --------------------------- What magical piece of hardware am I looking for? Help me KSS, you're my only hope. Abelton Live. Seriously though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 But... I don' wanna use a PC. Computers make baby EP cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Palaver Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 I likes messing around with the Kaosillator. It's dead easy, quick to doodle some ideas out with, and just plain mess around with.I want something that will let me do this with external gear. I want to sample audio AND/OR MIDI as loops, and I want to have multiple tracks to do it with so I can mute them, etc. I DON'T want to have to stop recording to do anything or make changes, and I DON'T want to use a PC.What magical piece of hardware am I looking for?Help me KSS, you're my only hope. Get a MacBook and Ableton:lol: Seriously, tho... you could connect all your hardware to Ableton... and just use Ableton to output the midi to your hardware devices. You could synch up everything quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 DON'T WANNA 'PUTER! Can I have Live in a box, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 Maybe an MV-8x00...or an MPC but I don't think that does MIDI clips. Maybe the MPC-4000 or MPC-5000 does. In my experience the MPC-1000 isn't as quick to navigate as Ableton. And I am pretty picky when it comes to interface on computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 {censored}. Maybe I ought to break down and just buy Live. {censored}. Don't want software. I write software for a living, I don't want to have to use it for my personal Happy Fun Time. Le sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 You can make a spiffy controller that will pretty much hide the computer interface. I've been giving it serious thought. But Live still isn't perfect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 But Live still isn't perfect... a-HA! I knew it. So, what's missing/wrong/broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members idiotboy Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 mpc or electribe, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 a-HA! I knew it. So, what's missing/wrong/broken? It doesn't make the transition to linear music very well for me. For building up patterns its great. I tend to get stuck in 1-2 bar pattern land (with Roland sequencers etc) and I hate that. Sequencing patterns is not super intuitive and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 mpc or electribe, right? I smell a product opportunity. A Live-like hardware box. No effects, no VSTs, no pesky incompatibility or obsolence problems. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 mpc or electribe, right? MPCs (that I've owned) can't sequence MIDI phrases like triggering a sample. Electribes neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 I smell a product opportunity. A Live-like hardware box. No effects, no VSTs, no pesky incompatibility or obsolence problems. Hmm. People have wanted a Live in a Box for a long time. Let's do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 It doesn't make the transition to linear music very well for me. For building up patterns its great. I tend to get stuck in 1-2 bar pattern land (with Roland sequencers etc) and I hate that. Sequencing patterns is not super intuitive and... How well does it play with others, i.e. external gear? I'm not interested in using softies with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 It has better MIDI timing than Cubase SX3... Yeah it integrates well with hardware, any specific questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 People have wanted a Live in a Box for a long time. Let's do it. Awesome. Design a UI for this that fits a a 4U desktop case, a la the Virus. Please submit it by Friday. I'll go salvage some POKEY chips from old Ataris, that'll be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ripe Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 I asked for this same exact thing awhile ago, without much luck. I actually built a Nord G2 patch that was controlled by a Kaoss Pad 3 to sample MIDI loops. It worked, but was a little clunky. Since then I wised up and realized that the Octopus (which I already had) excels at this exact thing, although I wouldn't recommend buying an Octopus just for a MIDI looper... and actually while I am thinking about it, the RS7000 may be a good choice, except you can't move from playback to realtime record without stopping playback. You can move to grid record without stopping though. For audio, you can't beat the Kaoss Pad 3 itself, it is fun as hell and you can store off loops to memory card for later massaging and aligning. The key with the KP3 is to understand how the timing and alignment function work or you will have problems keeping things in sync, and you never have to stop playback (except to store/load samples) cheersripe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 It has better MIDI timing than Cubase SX3... Yeah it integrates well with hardware, any specific questions? I can't think of any right off the top, thanks though. I guess I'll go ahead and test-drive the demo, I've been putting it off. I sure would rather have a hardware solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 How about a new thread of a hardware Live design contest. Maybe people have some good ideas about interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 I've been considering the KP3, I think it's near to what I want, 'cept for the lack of MIDI, limited tracks. I was hoping for an all-in-one box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 How about a new thread of a hardware Live design contest. Maybe people have some good ideas about interface. Be my guest. Might even be an excuse to use Sketchup for something practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kooki_sf Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 get an eee pc , put live on it, and case mod to taste. the other great thing about live is that it has an python API. but you probably didnt want to hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 I have the KP3. Brilliant thing to have around for sampling stuff on the fly.. However, I was messing around with a sample loop.. slowed the tempo and the sample merely slowed down (no time stretch?)... I then started to sample other stufff while the loop cycled and the new loops would gradually lose sync... Not sure why this is but guess its related to what a poster said on the first page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xmlguy Posted July 31, 2008 Members Share Posted July 31, 2008 For the audio looping, the Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper with the Foot Controller and 2GB Compact Flash is on my soon-to-buy list. I've been GASing for one for a while, but none of my local stores stock it to try. It has great reviews and seems to be the best hardware audio looper available. I was originally looking for the Electrix Repeater Mk2, but the company went bust. Here's a good looper example (using the older Electrix Repeater) by Imogen Heap. [YOUTUBE]25VGdNU3nrU[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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