Members b3keys Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'm surprised no one has asked about the grand piano patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 REP:mad:RTED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TropicThink Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 I love the fact that stuff like this is still being made. Sadly, the price of the item is damn high. I hope they sell a ton of them so that I can get one second hand at a later date if I find that I need one, but in this economic climate, with things SURELY having to get a lot worse before they get better, I'm not so sure. That instrument is not something with mass appeal. Props to John Bowen, though. He rocks for doing something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bloopbleep Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 "That instrument is not something with mass appeal." Precisely!!If you look back, synthesizer was never a cheap affair. With the economy aside, it is more affordable now then ever. There are synths that cost just as much and more in the past 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'm surprised no one has asked about the grand piano patch BTW, with all the non sequiters flying I hope you didn't miss this: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33014134&postcount=71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members raffor Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Plus:10. "pitched noise" (noise that will track the keyboard) That was the best feature on the SH-32 next to the great pads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Moogasaur Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 I know it's just a small part of the overall capabilities, but is there a list of the sampled waveforms, or any details on them (quality, quantity, or etc.)? Carbon, what did you think of the rotors? It seems like a great feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marzzz Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Even though I applaud what appears to be an excellent synth, I don't think I'll be seeing one in my stable any time soon. For that amount of coin, I'd really need to have a hands-on demo to decide if it would be worth divesting myself of some gear for it to replace. I saw it the year before at NAMM, but it was in such a pre-pre-pre prototype stage that I really couldn't get a solid listen to it- I thought "why is someone trying to make another VA, and so expensive?" and barely gave it a second glance.... This year, I checked it out on the way to seeing the VAX77 just down the row in the NAMM basement. I came in with a "meh" attitude and came out blown away. There is a "solidness" to the sound that I have never heard on a digital synth or VA except for maybe recordings of the NED Synclavier. Aside from the amazing interface, it is a very solid piece of gear and most importantly, it sounds just great- digital yet organic. I was able to do very nice analog emulations, and there was the "weight" to the sound that has been missing from all the VA synths I have ever played, including the Q and the Virus. By all means, don't listen to me or Carbon, etc., actually sit down and play one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 By all means, don't listen to me or Carbon, etc., actually sit down and play one! Wouldn't I love to. Someday, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 Red Martian strikes again: http://redmartian.com/solaris/SOLARIS-DEMO-THREE.m4a BTW - drums are MPC1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgearguy Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 2. Minimoog oscillators (Creamware ABS-12) +3. Prophet (Creamware ABS Pro 12)+4. Wavestation+5. Waldorf Wavetables (PPG Wave) How does that actually work with the Wavestation and Waldorf things? Did John license that technology or get some kind of agreement to be able to use/say the Solaris can do Waldorf Wavetables? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 How does that actually work with the Wavestation and Waldorf things? Did John license that technology or get some kind of agreement to be able to use/say the Solaris can do Waldorf Wavetables? I'm sure that's what it is. Creamware Modular III came with a Waldorf Ocsillator which was basically a licensed MWII/XT oscillator with 64 (I think) Waldorf tables. The knobs on it were even rendered/drawn to look like XT knobs. Since John also worked on the Scope platform, I'd imagine this was facilitated in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members raffor Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 By all means, don't listen to me or Carbon, etc., actually sit down and play one! When they would have done the 8 voice dual oscillator thing I might would have been interested. But I do not buy 4 voices for over $3k. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 How does that actually work with the Wavestation and Waldorf things? Did John license that technology or get some kind of agreement to be able to use/say the Solaris can do Waldorf Wavetables? I should have corrected the "Wavestation" thing - it's actually Prophet VS oscillators (i.e. no Korg wavesequencing). John was one of the people who created and built the VS wave set. The VS oscillators can be driven from dedicated vector EGs via the vector mixer (and joystick) for actual "VS style" vector synthesis. I'm dieing to try these through the SSM filter. As far as the Waldorf thing goes, the oscillators use the same wavetables though they're not completely identical. John and the guys at Sonic Core go way back with the Waldorf guys, so there's a lot of goodwill there. I'm thrilled that my familiar wavetables will all be there and I'm looking forward to building quite a few of my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 When they would have done the 8 voice dual oscillator thing I might would have been interested. But I do not buy 4 voices for over $3k. Sorry. Dude, get a clue. Solaris is 4 oscillators PER NOTE. PER NOTE. PER NOTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted February 24, 2009 Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 How much poly was Bowen talking about in that beast? 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 24, 2009 When they would have done the 8 voice dual oscillator thing I might would have been interested. But I do not buy 4 voices for over $3k. Sorry. Last I heard, the polyphony of the Solaris will be no less than 15 voices - and that's when using every single feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members b3keys Posted February 25, 2009 Members Share Posted February 25, 2009 My bad about the list. I was just trying to get an understanding of what this synth will be capable of. The Wavestation was a direct decendent of the Prophet VS, if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members raffor Posted February 25, 2009 Members Share Posted February 25, 2009 Last I heard, the polyphony of the Solaris will be no less than 15 voices - and that's when using every single feature. yep, i was mistaken. Maybe I should take a closer look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 25, 2009 No worries. Another nice thing about the Solaris' four oscillators is that they can be used more than once in a patch, appearing in multiple mixer/filter audio paths as well as the Rotors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marzzz Posted February 25, 2009 Members Share Posted February 25, 2009 Not just the oscillators, practically everything can be used multiple times, all over the place. Just for fun, at NAMM I started setting up a CS-80 structure, with two completely parallel synths with multiple filters, one oscillator each with multiple wave forms, and a sine wave fed back in post filter. It was no problemo! Oh, and I specifically asked JB about the polyphony, and with everything going all at once, they expect around 18-20 voices. With that kind of complexity, I would be more than satisfied with 8....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 25, 2009 The 15 number was from an old post on the Solaris forum...thanks for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Woody4 Posted February 25, 2009 Members Share Posted February 25, 2009 i expect awave in melbourne oz will have empity i'm not in the country now!!! this could be the synth a lot of people have been waiting forkiller soundexceptional synthesis level fast/easy/fun interface gonna give hard gas if it turns out that way for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted February 25, 2009 Another demo from Red Martian: http://vimeo.com/3362140 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gribs Posted February 25, 2009 Members Share Posted February 25, 2009 That was the best feature on the SH-32 next to the great pads. What is the difference algorithmically in the Solaris between this (noise tracking with keyboard) and passing white noise through a band pass filter with key tracking on the resonant frequency? One way to generate band limited (wide sense stationary Gaussian) noise is to generate a random FFT by taking a deviate from a (zero mean) Gaussian distribution with standard deviation equal to the magnitude of the power spectrum for each frequency frequency bin (FFT point), enforce that the FFT be Hermitian so that the inverse FFT is real, and then inverse FFT. I do this all the time in 2D for generating realizations of random surfaces with various properties (for optical modeling). I am curious if this is the algorithm used in the Solaris. Is the advantage that the pitched noise is generated by some dedicated DSP unit so you don't have to use a filter slot to generate pitched noise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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