Members fdelvecchio Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 As has been mentioned somewhere during these discussions, the XK-1 is built in China and the XK-3c is built in Japan. This could account for some of the differences in the manufacturing quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XK-S -> 3300 Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 Where is there any evidence that the XK-1 is manufactured poorly? Have they built it to a level where it can be sold for far less than the XK-3 and now the '3c? Yes. Has that build quality held up in use? Absolutely. Has anyone read here or anywhere that the XK-1's have been unreliable in any way? No. The one issue that has been reported is a check battery indicator. That issue was due to a software setting that read the battery as being too low well before it actually was. It has been fixed. Years ago. The XK-1 has all the sound of an XK-3 with an improved digital Leslie and almost all the sound of an XK-3c. Without the extra drawbars and tube preamp etc. that make the XK-3 and '3c worth more. The XK-1 is assembled in China, but so is just about everything else in the world today. It is my understanding that the main bd. etc. still come from Japan. The XM-2 which is basically an XK-1 without the keyboard is made in Japan. Not every instrument is the right one for everybody. If you (Llamastorm) don't like the sound or feel, don't buy it. If you don't want to buy something you can't try first, don't. You are telling people who own them and are very happy with them that a: you don't think they are very good, and b: those people's opinions about what they own are wrong. Well those people know what they own, don't know you, and ultimately, don't care what you buy. They have all tried to give you accurate information and informed opinions. Do with those what you will. Good Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fdelvecchio Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nowhere in my post did I state that the XK-1 was manufactured poorly. You stated above that they are indeed differences between the 2 units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XK-S -> 3300 Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 I wasn't referring to your post, it was this one: I know to listen to the 6 foot tall time travelling bunny rabbits So I understand the action (the keys do bounce up quickly like they should and trigger where they should, right?) and sound is much better than the Xk1? -- great. Did they also fix the really cheap feeling plastic white buttons for turning on the chorus and so on that the Xk-1 had? I mean I absolutely hated the Xk-1. From the pictures it looks like the mod wheels and buttons might be the same? My houses lightswitches and remotes are made better than that. I guess I'm just a little cautious to buy anything Hammond after seeking the Xk-1. It was pretty well on it's way to being the worst keyboard in the store. Along with his next post. I should have pointed that out better. I apologize. I did post that the XK-1 is built in China, though not to indicate that it was poorly made of low quality parts (I don't believe it is) but that the assembly costs would be lower than they would be in Japan. I have not heard of any reliability issues with the XK-1 other than the one I mentioned above. There may be more XK-1's than XK-3's and '3c's in use since the XK-1's are stocked and sold through the big box stores more than the XK-3's are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XK-S -> 3300 Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 Here is Tony Monaco playing an XK-1. He seems to make do.Here is Bruno Micheli playing the XK-3 and XK-1 through a 3300:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ5YHdTW2XI&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 Where is there any evidence that the XK-1 is manufactured poorly? Have they built it to a level where it can be sold for far less than the XK-3 and now the '3c? Yes. Has that build quality held up in use? Absolutely. Has anyone read here or anywhere that the XK-1's have been unreliable in any way? No. The one issue that has been reported is a check battery indicator. That issue was due to a software setting that read the battery as being too low well before it actually was. It has been fixed. Years ago.The XK-1 has all the sound of an XK-3 with an improved digital Leslie and almost all the sound of an XK-3c. Without the extra drawbars and tube preamp etc. that make the XK-3 and '3c worth more. The XK-1 is assembled in China, but so is just about everything else in the world today. It is my understanding that the main bd. etc. still come from Japan. The XM-2 which is basically an XK-1 without the keyboard is made in Japan.Not every instrument is the right one for everybody. If you (Llamastorm) don't like the sound or feel, don't buy it. If you don't want to buy something you can't try first, don't. You are telling people who own them and are very happy with them that a: you don't think they are very good, and b: those people's opinions about what they own are wrong. Well those people know what they own, don't know you, and ultimately, don't care what you buy. They have all tried to give you accurate information and informed opinions. Do with those what you will.Good Luck. Exaclty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 We've all given our best advice... you have to get off your ass and try one or move on. True not just that but always remember the people that like the XK-3/Xk-1 Series and Korg CX-3 will always be in the minority on the keyboard forums. That is just how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Pro Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 True not just that but always remember the people that like the XK-3/Xk-1 Series and Korg CX-3 will always be in the minority on the keyboard forums. That is just how it is. ??? There's been over 56 replies to this thread and over 1100 views so far... that's a lot of interest/opinion/reads for any one topic here. There's also more posts/comments/info on the XK3c from the MP/Keyboard Corner forums. I think this shows that organ enthusiasts are well-represented here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 I should have said the XK-3C and CX-3 owners are definatley in the minority compared to Nord owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frogmonkey Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 All this talk has got me seriously thinking about an xk3c as part of my rig... where before I was considering Electro 3 or C1. Real drawbars are sweet. Outkaster, when do we get to hear you play reggae on the XK3C? Pleeeze? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members c4racer Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 I should have said the XK-3C and CX-3 owners are definatley in the minority compared to Nord owners.Or we are all too busy gigging to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted April 6, 2009 Members Share Posted April 6, 2009 I will see if I can get some video for you this summer. I play reggae a little less now because the only band is out of town and if I have a conflict with my main band it gets difficult to make the shows. I can share the drawbar setting I use also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aanalogaddict Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 Here is Tony Monaco playing an XK-1. He seems to make do.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_yfrD-kzukHere is Bruno Micheli playing the XK-3 and XK-1 through a 3300:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ5YHdTW2XI&feature=related True dat. The basic tone of both clones is very good. For me, the differences start showing when you play more distorted sounds - and I play with distorted sound 95% of the time. The tube od in the XK3c is very dynamic, and adds another level to the sound. IMHO. If you're mostly into cleaner jazz settings, the XK1 will do just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XK-S -> 3300 Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 I agree. You might try replacing the tubes in the '3c with old 50's/60's era tubes and also try a 12AY7 tube in the AU socket. 12AU7 tubes always seem to put some fuzz in the tone even when the overdrive is turned down. The 12AY7's have a little more gain, start off with a cleaner, better defined tone and can scream like a son of a gun when pushed. However, the 12AU7 tone may be just what you are looking for. On mine, I run the lows through the AX and the highs through the AY. Also, you can change the trigger depth of the keys by holding the three Leslie buttons down when you power on. This changes the trigger point to the lower contact used to measure velocity. You don't have to turn percussion velocity on to get that any more. The setting stays locked until you do the three finger salute again so you don't have to do it on every power on to use that feature. I prefer the shallow trigger but some like the deeper one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 I agree. You might try replacing the tubes in the '3c with old 50's/60's era tubes and also try a 12AY7 tube in the AU socket. 12AU7 tubes always seem to put some fuzz in the tone even when the overdrive is turned down. The 12AY7's have a little more gain, start off with a cleaner, better defined tone and can scream like a son of a gun when pushed. However, the 12AU7 tone may be just what you are looking for. On mine, I run the lows through the AX and the highs through the AY.Also, you can change the trigger depth of the keys by holding the three Leslie buttons down when you power on. This changes the trigger point to the lower contact used to measure velocity. You don't have to turn percussion velocity on to get that any more. The setting stays locked until you do the three finger salute again so you don't have to do it on every power on to use that feature. I prefer the shallow trigger but some like the deeper one. I will have to try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XK-S -> 3300 Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 Also, try holding the Brake, Control and Tone buttons and powering on. Then scroll up through the menus until you find the new page F. Your XK-3c (it works on the XK-3 too) will sing with many voices. Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frogmonkey Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 I will see if I can get some video for you this summer. I play reggae a little less now because the only band is out of town and if I have a conflict with my main band it gets difficult to make the shows. I can share the drawbar setting I use also. I would like to learn that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Outkaster Posted April 7, 2009 Members Share Posted April 7, 2009 Ok I wil PM you with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamieb Posted July 28, 2010 Members Share Posted July 28, 2010 I have been fortunate enough to land in a project that has provided the gear for me to use. They have a Korg SV-1 and Leslie 3300 and just last week added an XK-3C. Prior to that, I had used my Korg CX-3. The CX-3 Leslie sounded great to me, and I will continue to proudly use it in my "other" band, but the minute I played the first chord on the XK-3C, I was sold! Maybe it's the tubes. Maybe it's the engine. I don't know WHAT the secret ingredients are, but they work! Can't wait to get the lower manual! I own two B-3 organs, and lugged a "chop" around for several years. For the backache v. tone argument, I'll stick with the XK-3C. At least until the (pipe dream) day when we have roadies! Slightly OT: I would like to know if anybody has any ideas/suggestions on tweaking the C/V settings. I've barely had time to crack the manual, and a few of the reviews I've seen read that the chorus settings were a little too "extreme". Any sage wisdom? jamieb +++++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XK-S -> 3300 Posted July 28, 2010 Members Share Posted July 28, 2010 Slightly OT: I would like to know if anybody has any ideas/suggestions on tweaking the C/V settings. I've barely had time to crack the manual, and a few of the reviews I've seen read that the chorus settings were a little too "extreme". Any sage wisdom?jamieb+++++ Congratulations. I prefer to set the Vibrato rate to the slowest speed and use just a little tremolo. The rest of the settings can be set from almost none to a lot so just tweak them until you like what you hear. The Expression settings (pg. 62 #'s 12 - 16) also affect the tone as the expression pedal is moved so you might tweak those as well. If you connect the '3c to the 3300 via an 11 pin cable, you will still have the digital Leslie available at the left 1/4" output jack. You can send that to the PA when you need more volume. Or to another amp for 2 Leslies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamieb Posted July 28, 2010 Members Share Posted July 28, 2010 ...If you connect the '3c to the 3300 via an 11 pin cable, you will still have the digital Leslie available at the left 1/4" output jack. You can send that to the PA when you need more volume. Or to another amp for 2 Leslies... I didn't know that. May try it soon. Do you know if you can set up a switch pedal to control the "real" 3300 speed if you're already using the expression pedal? That one is convenient, but seems like it's more geared toward seated players. I stand for this gig, and if I'm using both hands, and I try to use that footswitch, I tend to bump my volume as well. I'm sure I can still run the 1/4" cable to the Leslie, and control it that way, but I was wanting to do it through the organ, and not have that extra cable to tape down. May just try it and see... Thanks, jamieb +++++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members XK-S -> 3300 Posted July 28, 2010 Members Share Posted July 28, 2010 You can use a footswich plugged into the Footswitch 1 jack on the back of the '3c instead of (or in addition to) the kick switch on the EXP-100F. Just set the parameter to tell the '3c what you want it to do (pg. 62 #18). You can use a male TRS for femal TS and female RS Y cord to have 2 footswitches if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members happynotes Posted October 4, 2014 Members Share Posted October 4, 2014 I am testing C2 and XK3C, C2 sounds far better, alive, seems that somehow the vibrato chorus on XK3c some low pass filtering is going on, which results in "empty" sound, C2 has the shortcoming of drawbars, so since I already own a XK3c and wish I could do something on the chorus/vibrato, to restore original sound. I also have a B3 and A102, in the original hammond organs (A.B.C.) the chorus is the result of the dry signal + the vibrato signal (that creates the powerfull flanging fx) on the XK3c it seems that chorus is just a modification "on" the dry sound, whole lot of difference. If any one has good advice, welcome, maybe I could try some guitar pedal on the insert channel, wouldn't know which one? Thanks & regards, Alain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V-8 Posted October 17, 2014 Members Share Posted October 17, 2014 No waterfall keys on the Nord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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