Members AgentOrange Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Negative K3 fan yeah catch 33 must be my least favorite album of them... to be honest, i thought catch 33 was awsome. I love their old material, but their new stuff is incredible. You cant listen to it like a conventional album with individual songs, all the tracks fit together and you have to listen to the whole thing. Awsome in the past, incredible now James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shredhead666 Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 I need to go back and listen to DEI. Meshuggah never really clicked for me yet. I think I just haven't heard them in the right frame of mind yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sordid1 Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Megadeth7684 Their songs are totally hit or miss IMO. It's either awesome, or boring as hell. They're amazing musicians though. Just not for everyone. I agree with that actually, I have heard some great songs and a lot that did absolutely nothing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Dark Angel For the life of me I can't find that recording anywhere. It flipped my {censored} though. Everybody is complaining about the locked drums, but guess what... NOBODY was doing that, and now EVERYBODY is. Haak'es genius is that he locks the lower body with the guitars and then just embelishes the {censored} out of everything with his upper body. The only guys in his league for that kind of stuff (adding the sizzle to the rhythmic steak) are Gene Hoglan, Richard Christy, and Sean Reinert. Note that by Gene Hoglan, I mean Gene Hoglan not playing SYL. His stuff with Dark Angel and Death are stupidly inspiring. I dont know why people keep saying this. To me Fear Factory was the ones who really started that, and was doing it years before Meshuggah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Elric Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by wor lez Far too grinding for me. I like melody in the music I listen to. Weird time signatures dont make good music. They can be a part of good music, eg Rush, but I just dont get along with the whole grinding palm mute atonal stuff. Sorry meshugga fans. +1. I dig their heavyosity/intensity but they cross the fine line between complexity and masturbatory too much for my taste. Meshuggah made what metal is today. Oh! So it's their fault! Seriously, after reading this thread, I think I'll go listen to DEI again, though, and try to give it another fair shot and see if I can ignore the tunelessness. I have zero problems getting into self-indulgent Stoner Metal like Kyuss, for example, so theoretically I *might* like it in some context.Oh well, some {censored} just never really clicks, too, I spose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members travis bickle Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Shask I dont know why people keep saying this. To me Fear Factory was the ones who really started that, and was doing it years before Meshuggah. they have been around for quite some time now. their demos date back to the late 80s i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AgentOrange Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Shask I dont know why people keep saying this. To me Fear Factory was the ones who really started that, and was doing it years before Meshuggah. im sorry dude, but meshuggah got there first. Psykisk Testbild and contradictions collapse were released way before soul of a new machine. Destroy Erase Improve may be one of their most revered albums, but they were doing that stuff since the late 80s James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drago Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Shask I dont know why people keep saying this. To me Fear Factory was the ones who really started that, and was doing it years before Meshuggah. meshuggah's first album was relased in '89. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Def_Pearl_Pilot Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 I gave a chance and was like I'll check 'em out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by AgentOrange im sorry dude, but meshuggah got there first. Psykisk Testbild and contradictions collapse were released way before soul of a new machine. Destroy Erase Improve may be one of their most revered albums, but they were doing that stuff since the late 80s James OK Mainstream then I never heard of them until WAY after FF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members travis bickle Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 if you don't dig em, no big deal. its definitely not music for everybody. i was looking around amazon.com, and found a few used none cd's that were priced around 40 - 60 bux! im keepin mine mofo's. i haven't gotten to study catch 33 as well as i would have liked. i had a ton of {censored} to learn in the past few months, and now is the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Potex Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 I also hated them upon first listen, but now love them! I agree with the posters that said you need to let go and let it wash over you.. If you try and fight it you will lose every time. I can deffinately see why people dont like them.. I mean its obvious isn't it? Music doesn't get much harder to listen to than this, however the rewards are there to be had if you are willing to put in the effort. -Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 I dont get it. One person says he has to study it, and another says you will get rewarded if you take the time to listen, because its hard to listen to.You should like music when you hear it. You shouldnt have to study {censored}. Its not a Calculus test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members travis bickle Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Shask I dont get it. One person says he has to study it, and another says you will get rewarded if you take the time to listen, because its hard to listen to. You should like music when you hear it. You shouldnt have to study {censored}. Its not a Calculus test. some groups you like right off the bat, and other times they have to grow on you. its complex music that's not easily digested on the first listen or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Yeah, some bands you have to listen to several times. But generally, if you like it upon the first listen, you want to hear more. It draws you in. If you dont like it, first impression, no amount of 'studying' is gonna change that. But I know what your saying. It took me several tries before I could make it through a DEP CD. But if I didnt like what I was hearing the first time, I would have never liked it, no matter how many times I tried to listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members matt_v Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Shask I dont get it. One person says he has to study it, and another says you will get rewarded if you take the time to listen, because its hard to listen to. You should like music when you hear it. You shouldnt have to study {censored}. Its not a Calculus test. well some of us like to have music that's a little more complex than 4/4! there is something deeper about bands like meshuggah and dillinger, and it's almost like a game to try to figure out what is going on.i just had to show my meshuggah love here! i'm hoping to catch them outside chicago on october 16th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drago Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Shask OK Mainstream then I never heard of them until WAY after FF. FF found them before you then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SOMMS Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by satannica I was over a mate's house yesterday and he insisted on putting on Mastadon, Meshugga, and all these chug chug... chug chugga... chug chug chug... bandsI don't get it... I mean, I can't really imagine moshing to it, its the same {censored}ing notes played over and over just with clever rhythms and everything sounding really dark and compressed. The guitars sounds like the action is way way too low and the guys are palm muting way forward from the bridge! Its nothing that technical! I mean really...What's the attraction? I mean, I love my metal, everything from Maiden through to Cannibal Corpse, but this stuff... well... sucks!Buh? Thought that I'd start out by saying I don't really consider the bands you mention as 'metal' anymore. To me it all sounds like old school rock and roll (maybe excluding CC). Bands like Meshuggah are mostly responsible for this shift in thinking. I think Meshuggah definitely encapsulate the new paradigm in metal: atonal, polyrythmic and freeform structure. There is a huge shift in both thinking aand feeling here. There is a definite line where on one side you have the thousands of traditionalists bands like The Beatles, Metallica, Iggy Pop, Motley Crue, U2, Children of Bodom, Iron Maiden, Britney Spears, etc..and on the other you have a handful of bands like Meshuggah, Textures, Bulb, Coprofago and Tessaract who have embraced (or tried to) the new paradigm. The concept of technicality has also changed. Technicality is now required to play *the actual riff of the song*...NOT just the solo of the song. I actually love this...it means that technicality is returning to metal...just not in the same form that everybody has been expecting. Basically you either see the value in the concepts embraced by the new paradigm or you don't. I will say this though: I hated Meshuggah when I first heard them. Everything sounding random and it was difficult to find the riff. Now I can see it. I don't like everything they do (DEI, Catch 33) but I do dig alot of the stuff they are doing. To me its so much more refreshing of the nth iteration of Metallica/Staind/Lincoln Park/insert you favorite band here. -Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cavemanic Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Tesseract Hehe yeha man you hear sol niger ? thats exactly that....the mesh rhtyhms with LUSH crazy jazz drumming and loads more leads and alot more going on....love that CD Always wondered what it would be like to go see meshuggah at a seating venue lol...with them playing their guitars on stools thanks I'll check it out!hey , the name Tesseract wasn't inspired by the movie Cube 2: Hypercube by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members travis bickle Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 somms, great post my man. i couldn't have said it better myself. i'll listen to simple rock ala motley crue, but you need to challenge yourself as a listener, and as a player. at least once in a while. right on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drago Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by travis bickle somms, great post my man. i couldn't have said it better myself. i'll listen to simple rock ala motley crue, but you need to challenge yourself as a listener, and as a player. at least once in a while.right on. random, are you in candiria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Negative K3 fan Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by SOMMS Thought that ...... Metallic Sonatas and where do you place opeth? i dont think you can compare them to textures/tesseract/meshuggah, but theyre also definately something else than the traditional music you speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members travis bickle Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by Drago random, are you in candiria? yea. i just started playin with em about 3 or 4 months ago. ive gotten to play two shows with em, and we are heading out to the UK next month. its quite an experience to play in your favorite metal group (next to meshuggah of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Drago Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by travis bickle yea. i just started playin with em about 3 or 4 months ago. ive gotten to play two shows with em, and we are heading out to the UK next month. its quite an experience to play in your favorite metal group (next to meshuggah of course). Awesome man, signs of discontent is a TUNE. I'll and come and see ya play when you come to the uk. You got a gig listing actually?I'm guessing ull be playing around london? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members travis bickle Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 cool bro, i didn't even realize you were out in the UK. here are the dates so far: October 2005 w/ Bullet for my valentine 13 UK TRURO Truro Hall 18 UK CARDIFF Coal Exchange 19 UK WOLVERHAMPTON Wulfren Hall 20 LONDON Astoria 22 GLASGOW QMU/Barrowlands 24 UK MANCHESTER Academy 1+2 25 UK NOTTINGHAM Rock City im psyched as {censored}! i was in japan with subzero in august, and now this. life is good. how are these venues? thanks for the interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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