Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 I'm writing a solo and for the fisrt time I'm trying to do 2 guitars harmonizing at the end but I dont know how to find the notes for the second guitar. Any advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paragraph51 Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by ncook I'm writing a solo and for the fisrt time I'm trying to do 2 guitars harmonizing at the end but I dont know how to find the notes for the second guitar. Any advice? What? Do you know your modal patterns for the key?? Pick one an interval above your 1st guitar, like a minor3rd, major 3rd or a 4th or a 5th, 6th, or 7th. Follow the key, don't duplicate the pattern played by the first guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 give me a sec, I'll tab it and post really quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dreamspace Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 find out what scale you're playing, then find the second note in the scale, from the one your playing... voila, harmonized ifE |-12-14-15--15 will be the harmony to 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paragraph51 Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by ncook give me a sec, I'll tab it and post really quick Which is great, except I am allergic to tab, but I can help you and help you properly if you post the tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paragraph51 Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by dreamspace find out what scale you're playing, then find the second note in the scale, from the one your playing... voila, harmonized if E |-12-14-15-- 15 will be the harmony to 12 Harmonizing to the minor third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 ----------------------------------8--7--8--10-11--10--11---13---15------- ----------------3--4--3--4--6-------------------------------------------------- ----5--4---5-------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------?--?--?--?---?---8----7----8----10----- ----------------?--?--?--?--?-------------------------------------------------- ----2--0---2-------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ones I tabbed are good, the ?'s are where I dont know where to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Boogie Man Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Try doing what I do when recording, I play the harmonized part first, then the normal key is easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by The Boogie Man Try doing what I do when recording, I play the harmonized part first, then the normal key is easy. I already have the normal part down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jomkiatz Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 That looks like the key of C harmonic minor. You can harmonize that in thirds i.e. e----------1-3-1-3-4-------------13-15-13-15-16-19 b---4-3-4-------------16-15-16------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jomkiatz Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 It's really unimaginative to just harmonize automatically, based on a pattern like that, though. I'd reccomend doing it by ear, and not necessarily following patterns, or what not. If it sounds good, who the {censored} cares what the theory is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paragraph51 Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by ncook ----------------------------------8--7--8--10-11--10--11---13---15------- c b c d d# d d# f g----------------3--4--3--4--6------------------------------------------------------5--4---5----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- c b c d----------------------------------?--?--?--?---?---8----7----8----10---------------------?--?--?--?--?------------------------------------------------------2--0---2-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The ones I tabbed are good, the ?'s are where I dont know where to go That's a rather dissonant choice of notes to counter the melody with. What are the chords you are playing this over?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by Paragraph51 That's a rather dissonant choice of notes to counter the melody with. What are the chords you are playing this over?? G-D#-A#-F It souds pretty cool, I'll try to post a clip in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jomkiatz Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Your solo is in C harmonic minor, which changes thes seventh interval from minor to major. ...in other words, B flat becomes B. For that chord progression to fit the key of your solo, you'd either have to change the B notes in the solo to B flats, or change that B flat chord in the chord progression to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 It may be interesting to be divergent, come together for a brief portion and diverge again at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jomkiatz Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 I suppose...it's just that the chord progression is very Pentatonic oriented, while the solo notes are very harmonic minor oriented. I can't see that working great together. Of course, it's not my song. That was just a suggestion from a theory standpoint. It's your song, you do with it as you like. I'm not a musical genius... yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by Jomkiatz Your solo is in C harmonic minor, which changes thes seventh interval from minor to major....in other words, B flat becomes B. For that chord progression to fit the key of your solo, you'd either have to change the B notes in the solo to B flats, or change that B flat chord in the chord progression to something else. I thought the B sounded pretty good, at least the first one, the second is a bit odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by Jomkiatz I suppose...it's just that the chord progression is very Pentatonic oriented, while the solo notes are very harmonic minor oriented. I can't see that working great together.Of course, it's not my song. That was just a suggestion from a theory standpoint. It's your song, you do with it as you like. I'm not a musical genius...yet. Please understand, this song was written by a girl who plays fairly basic (maybe even boring) stuff, I'm trying to bring a little bling in the solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jomkiatz Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Hey, I'm sorry if I sounded like I was {censored}ting on you. That's not what I meant at all, man. The creative process is a very individual thing. I have no right to tell you what does and doesn't sound good to you. If you like it, then it's a good song, and it doesn't matter what I may or may not have to say about it. ...Written by a girl? Female rhythm guitar player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by Jomkiatz Hey, I'm sorry if I sounded like I was {censored}ting on you. That's not what I meant at all, man.The creative process is a very individual thing. I have no right to tell you what does and doesn't sound good to you. If you like it, then it's a good song, and it doesn't matter what I may or may not have to say about it....Written by a girl? Female rhythm guitar player? Yep, lead singer too. It doesnt sound quite right but its close. Thats why I'm posting this, I want to figure out whats wrong and fix it, but not scrap the whole part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jomkiatz Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Which part exactly were you trying to change? In all honesty, the unharmonized solo lick sounds pretty good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ncook Posted December 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by Jomkiatz Which part exactly were you trying to change? In all honesty, the unharmonized solo lick sounds pretty good to me. Thanks, its at the end of the solo so the harmony is really kind of a cool way to wrap it up. The question marks are the parts that I have in the solo but dont sound right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jomkiatz Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Well..the key of C minor (or harmonic minor) has the A note as being flatted, so I would reccomend that instead of playing A-G-A on the G string, you instead play Ab-G-Ab on the D string. That gels better with the key of the solo. As for the rest of it...the harmony I threw at you earlier contains notes that are all within key. One type of harmonization I like to use involves not harmonizing note for note, but writing a countermelody underneath. This means, instead of matching note-for-note with the same rhythm, think of a melody that goes well with the one you have above, but isn't identical. For example... e-10-10-10-11-11-11-----11-11-11-13-13-13-10-11 b-------------------------8-9- g- ...or whatever. It's all about what sounds good to you, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Purplexi Posted December 18, 2005 Members Share Posted December 18, 2005 Originally posted by Jomkiatz It's really unimaginative to just harmonize automatically, based on a pattern like that, though. I'd reccomend doing it by ear, and not necessarily following patterns, or what not. If it sounds good, who the {censored} cares what the theory is? Now THAT is the greatest music lesson ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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