Members Random Hero Posted March 30, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Originally posted by Code-001 Solution = Mark IV: Just messing with ya of course. One day soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fats Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Try tilting the cab back, or turning it, or laying on the floor...you'll notice a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members supercow3 Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Try moving away fro the amp:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petelaramee Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 they start to sport uncontrollable wood? Cuz that happens to me sometimes +1I've never had an amp/cab that had a good sound while standing in front. Standing 12 - 15 feet away directly in front is the worst place to stand IMO. I try to stand off to the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SGavin Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 It's called High Frequency Directivity.Higher frequencies tend to be very directional, therefore, if you move away from the cab, you hear less high end.Low frequencies are the opposite and this is why you can hear the bass from someone's car stereo so well at a stop light.Aiming speakers at walls is a live sound technique. Sound guys sometimes put there subs backstage in a corner of the room so its energy is coupled to the walls of the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted March 30, 2006 Author Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 so what exactly is it about bouncing the sound off the walls that makes it sound better? Just less directional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sordid1 Posted March 30, 2006 Members Share Posted March 30, 2006 Originally posted by Locky I don't think its a Celestion thing as much as it is simply physics. Maybe not but I really noticed it with my GT75 loaded cab and my other guitarist v30 cab although not as bad with those. Random, my cab was ten years old and it was still there. My Gflex doesn't have the problem but the speakers are slightly angled to keep that from happening so i'm sure that is part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DarkIntension Posted March 31, 2006 Members Share Posted March 31, 2006 Originally posted by Random Hero so what exactly is it about bouncing the sound off the walls that makes it sound better? Just less directional? From what I know, it gives the highs, mids and lows a chance to evenly distribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluez4u Posted March 31, 2006 Members Share Posted March 31, 2006 Originally posted by DarkIntension :eek: HOLY CRAP!!! I just tried this and it made a world of difference. I used a Mesa DC-5 into a Marshall 1960A, I thought my speakers were sounding kind of harsh too(G12T75's). Here were my setting before turning my cab to the wall. I play metal. Gain: 10(Not very sensitive, have to turn up for it to get heavy) Treble: 3 Mid: 9 Bass:7 Presence:8 Reverb: 3 Output:3 EQ: V Shape with lowered high eq's After: Gain:6 Treble:6 Mid:9 Bass:4 Presence:4 Reverb:0 Output: 4 EQ: Balanced V Shape Settings changed drastically. It sounds 100 times better with it turned to the wall. Thanks kjr44130 !!!! I just started doing that with my steletto. I never did it with the mark iv. I pump so much {censored} thru the stiletto that is not really even a steletto anymore. Anyways, I've been doing the gflex twards the wall and man...what a tone. no hot spots.. perfect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Hogester Posted April 1, 2006 Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 Im guessing my cab will sound poo whichever way its facing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blackba Posted April 1, 2006 Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Code-001 Solution = Mark IV: I think I am in love with that 212 cab under your mesa I definetely notice a difference outside of my room, but I don't worry about it. You only need to worry about the difference when you are playing live, then its important in knowing what the audience is hearing, otherwise make it sound good to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Code-001 Posted April 1, 2006 Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by blackba I think I am in love with that 212 cab under your mesa I definetely notice a difference outside of my room, but I don't worry about it. You only need to worry about the difference when you are playing live, then its important in knowing what the audience is hearing, otherwise make it sound good to you. That's gainfreak's, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bverdon Posted April 1, 2006 Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by EC-E would beam blockers or duct tape make that much of a difference in a v30 Recto cab? the grill clothes are thick as {censored} anyways....i think i might not like v30's in a cab without that grill I think they would. I love them in my cab. Only issue though...I think your speakers are rear loaded so it makes installation a little more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted April 1, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by blackba I think I am in love with that 212 cab under your mesa I definetely notice a difference outside of my room, but I don't worry about it. You only need to worry about the difference when you are playing live, then its important in knowing what the audience is hearing, otherwise make it sound good to you. Describe the difference you hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blackba Posted April 1, 2006 Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Random Hero Describe the difference you hear. Well I notice that when my amps sounds different in the eq and gain in general. In the room I tend to dial in more treble, but when I leave the room I find the amp has too much treble. The gain also seems to sound more brutal in the room then from a distance.I definetely have some sound conditioning work to do in my room. I really need some bass traps in the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted April 1, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Aineias Just a heads up - I've found it reasonably hard to get hold of one in the UK short of ordering through a store, i.e. having them ship one over from the US which takes a long time; I was told three months. I only began looking into this when I was distracted by the prospect of picking up Tony's Mark IIC+, at which point I'm wondering if I really want to go for the IV, I am now picking up on what I beleive everyone is referring to as that extra bite, that extra ounce of aggression from the CII+ which really seems to make a difference in the Rhythm parts - however, I'm sure that it would be offset by the Recto in your case; the downside is that I don't have a Recto to compliment it. Anyway, that I stopped looking could mean tha some places have them, but if you're sure you want one, you might want to get one on order now if you're sure you'll have the money by the time it comes in. Very interesting, thanks man. That disappoints me. Any idea WHY IVs are so hard to come by here?1x12 combo here.. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-New-Mesa-Boogie-Mark-IV-1x12-Combo_W0QQitemZ7395111861QQcategoryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted April 1, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Aineias I guess for a lot of people, the Rectofiers are more what they're lookng for - especially since MESA defined the sounds that most contemporary Metal/Hardcore/Whatever-people-want-to-call-it bands use. The Mark's just aren't as popular so my guess would be that shops don't want to pay the massive import costs (relative to the money they'll make from selling the things) of getting in Amps that aren't goign to sell quickly so will hang around taking up their inventory space. As for the used market, if you pay the extortionate costs for MESA/Boogie gear here in the UK, you're going to damn well make sure that you like what you buy before you buy it rather than face losing a substantial sum of money selling it second-hand (also - if you did sell it, you'd make sure that you dind't want it, since getting hold of another one would be another huge investment - lower prices in the states would mean that the used market is bigger in general). All little more than vague conjecture, but it makes sense in my head. I forgot to mention in my original post that the combos are easier to get hold of, much easier, but being a DT/General-Metal fan, I presupposed that you'd be looking for a head, especially since you already have a decent cab to make the most of the IV. Finally, as one DT fan to another, I'd definately go for the IV for my lead tones if I could at least supplement my rhythm sounds with a Dual Recto. However, listening to "An Evening with . . . " and watching the "Live Scenes . . ." DVD once more (the Rhythm tones do have some sonic resemblence to the clips of IVs that have been posted here - the gain seems to have smaller "teeth" if you know what I mean), I've become a little suspicious of the IV for that IIC+ rhythm tone that defines early DT. IV/III combination could be another excellent balance. I've drifted somewhat off topic here so my apologies, however, given that we're both interested in the same idyllic tones, I would suggest keeping in touch over our respective amp situations. I've resolved not to make a purchase until I can check out a IV personally and I may pay the Diezel guys another visit in London; but that won't be for another few months since I@m immensely busy with work until July. Ain Makes sense as to why the Rectifiers are more readily availible, thats for sure.About the tones, I am incredibly happy with the Recto for rhythm tones - funnily enough, my favourite JP tones in general are from the past 3 years or so. However, the "An Evening With..." tones are just incredible. For that smooth singing lead, i've not heard better, to my ears. If I could just get my Vintage mode on my rectifier to sound somewhat like JP's i'd be pleased. It always seems muffled to me, and i've heard that it's inherant of all of the 3ch Rectos.The Road Kings are apparently crisper sounding, so, I dunno... Vintage has all the qualities I want, apart from it's muffled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Quagmire Posted April 1, 2006 Members Share Posted April 1, 2006 I have V30'S and i completely get you. I usually just stand like 4 feet from it so i dont get that effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jody Butt Posted April 2, 2006 Members Share Posted April 2, 2006 Originally posted by petelaramee +1 I've never had an amp/cab that had a good sound while standing in front. Standing 12 - 15 feet away directly in front is the worst place to stand IMO. I try to stand off to the side. Same here. I move off to the side a bit, and it sounds MUCH MUCH better. None of that ear-bleeding high-end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members '63-Strat Posted April 2, 2006 Members Share Posted April 2, 2006 Originally posted by Jody Butt Same here. I move off to the side a bit, and it sounds MUCH MUCH better. None of that ear-bleeding high-end. But isn't this what your audience is going to have slamming them right at ear level ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted April 2, 2006 Author Members Share Posted April 2, 2006 Originally posted by '63-Strat But isn't this what your audience is going to have slamming them right at ear level ? The audience's ears should be bleeding, whilst their faces melt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members '63-Strat Posted April 2, 2006 Members Share Posted April 2, 2006 Originally posted by Random Hero The audience's ears should be bleeding, whilst their faces melt. Ok, my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WhiskeyBucket Posted April 2, 2006 Members Share Posted April 2, 2006 Most of the time it isn't going to sound the same when you're standing right in front of it as when you're at least a good 10-15 feet away. I just take a few steps back. I'm not putting duct tape in my cab for {censored}. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BAZGUITARMAN Posted April 2, 2006 Members Share Posted April 2, 2006 I actually like my cab while standing in front of it about five to ten feet away. Most of the time I wear earplugs when playing at high volume so it cuts down on the spikeyness. Also I use a wireless and play from the next room when not wearing plugs. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members psychodave Posted April 2, 2006 Members Share Posted April 2, 2006 I never have the problem you describe....except for my POD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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